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No it doesn't? The factory programs in the secure boot public keys
The public keys are provided by the developer. Google, or Apple, for example. It's how they know that nothing was tampered with before it left the factory.
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And where are the stats for people running their own firmware and are not running stalkerware for comparison? You don’t need firmware access to install malware on Android, so how many of stalkerware victims actually would have been saved by a locked bootloader?
The entirety of GrapheneOS is about 200K downloads per update. Malicious use therefore is roughly 5-1. > You don’t need firmware access to install malware on Android, so how many of stalkerware victims actually would have been saved by a locked bootloader? With a locked bootloader, the underlying OS is intact, meaning that the privileges of the spyware (if you look in the right settings panel) can easily be detected,…
Can you stop this bad faith bullshit please? "Stalkerware" is an app, not an alternate operating system, according to your own source. You're comparing the number of malicious app installs to the number of installs of a single 3rd party Android OS which is rather niche to begin with.
You don't need to install an alternate operating system to stalk someone. And in fact that's nearly impossible to do without the owner noticing because the act of unlocking the bootloader has always wiped the device.
> The Coalition Against Stalkerware defines stalkerware as software, made available directly to individuals, that enables a remote user to monitor the activities on another user’s device without that user’s consent and without explicit, persistent notification to that user in a manner that may facilitate intimate partner surveillance, harassment, abuse, stalking, and/or violence. Note: we do not consider the device user has given consent when apps merely require physical access to the device, unlocking the device, or logging in with the username and password in order to install the app.
> Some people refer to stalkerware as ‘spouseware’ or ‘creepware’, while the term stalkerware is also sometimes used colloquially to refer to any app or program that does or is perceived to invade one’s privacy; we believe a clear and narrow definition is important given stalkerware’s use in situations of intimate partner abuse. We also note that legitimate apps and other kinds of technology can and often do play a role in such situations.
A year ago I used Azure Trusted Signing to codesign FOSS software that I distribute for Windows. It was the cheapest way to give away free software on that platform. A couple of months ago I needed to renew the certificate because it expired, and I ran into the same issue as the author here - verification failed, and they refused to accept any documentation I would give them. Very frustrating experience, especially s…
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Full disk encryption protects from somebody yanking a hard drive from running server (actually happens) or stealing a laptop. Calling it useless because it doesn't match your threat model... I hate todays security people, can't threat model for shit.
I (the commenter you responded to) am a security engineer by trade and I'm arguing that SB is useful. I'm not sure if the parent commenter is or isn't a security person but my interactions with other people in the security field have given me the impression that most of them think it's good, too. So I'm a little confused about the "can't threat model for shit part," I think these sorts of attacks are definitely withi…
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Secure Boot provides no useful security for an individual user on the machine they own, and as such should be disabled by default. If you want to enable it for enterprise/business situations, thats fine, but one should be clear about that. Otherwise you get the exact Microsoft situation you mentioned and also no one knows about it.
So everyday users should be vulnerable to bootkits and kernel-mode malware...why, exactly? That is useful security. The fact that people do not pursue this type of malware very frequently is an effect of SB proliferation. If it were not the default then these attacks would be more popular.
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You're arguing for not wearing seatbelts because no evidence has been shown that anyone has ever been saved by wearing one has been presented. That's just stupid by refuting ubiquitously understood data and facts. SecureBoot ensures a valid, signed OS is installed and that the boot process generally hasn't been completely compromised in a difficult-to-mitigate manner. It provides a specific guarantee rather than univ…
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If someone is willing to put in the work in governance, FOSS projects would be willing to fund it - at least Mudlet would be. We get income from Patreon to cover the costs.
There is ossign.org, Certum offers a cheap certificate for FOSS [1], and Comodo offers relatively cheap (but still expensive) certs as well [2]. Not affiliated with either service, but these are the ones I remember last time I had to dig into this mess, so there might be even more services that I don't recall at the moment. [1] https://shop.certum.eu/open-source-code-signing.html [2] https://comodosslstore.com/code-s…
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Computers should abide by their owners. Any computer not doing that is broken.
This gets tricky. If I click on a link intending to view a picture of a cat, but instead it installs ransomware, is that abiding by its owner or not? It did what I told it to do, but not at all what I wanted.
This is just another example of how secure boot provides zero additional security for the threat modes normal users face.
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It does no such thing if you enrol your own keys using the extremely well documented process to do that.
It's fair to think of secure boot in only the PC context but the model very much extends to phones. It seems ridiculous to me that to use a coupon for a big mac I have to compromise on what features my phone can run (either by turning on secure boot and limiting myself to stock os or limiting myself to the features and pricing of the 1 or 2 phones that allow re-locking).