I would love to hear from people using both (Claude Code OR Codex) AND (Qwen) and their experience with Qwen models, are they on par, or how far are they?
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whereas I as a Canadian am absolutely eager to see a serious competitor from a rival to the US because sending money south to Anthropic and OpenAI who think it's ok to spy on (or worse) their non-American customers, and are headquartered in a country that is trying to crush my country's economy, interfere in our domestic politics, and put us out of work and making threats on political allies. I'd prefer them to be op…
China (meaning the Chinese government specifically, not the people of course) is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the developed West in general including Canada and Europe, not just the U.S. I don't exactly like this and would certainly prefer that this wasn't the case, but we can't exactly ignore the facts. This matters when we choose whom to rely on for things like certain hosted third-party…
"the developed west" is not really a thing. its not a alliance like the eu just a description for some countries. a lot of them are split over china and its a major political issue in places like poland or germany. the only country where all parties treat china like the enemy is the united states, and thats just because theres only two major ones and both listen to corporations instead of their voters. the eu as a organization is a rival to china (not enemy) with all the special duties and import restrictions but thats just economic self interest and not every member is on board. when you ask the average person i think like 80 percent either dont care or think relations should be more friendly. if you ask people under 25 its basically everyone.
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#203For anyone that believes Chinese labs will stop open sourcing their models, let me tell you why that won't happen. First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to. The absolute disaster that is Z.ai's internet presence shows that these small labs have no ability to market themselves and drive direct sales. For marketing, they lack capabilities, and releasing open models is t…
Agree, it’s surprising that these companies don’t thoroughly test their own workflows to ensure a smooth and seamless user experience.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s incredibly naïve.
Meh, people have their own interests and values. And you can't force people to spend money no matter how much you may disagree with them Bring on the Chinese, fuck the Americans.
Americans hating on the Chinese for doing to them what they did to the rest of the world for 50 years.
Just without the bombs part.
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#206This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…
I’m starting to wonder where the most is for any of these models. Sure they are not cheap to train. But if open weight models continue to be trained and continue to become available on cheaper hardware, how do dedicated AI companies protect their margins?
OpenAI found the answer: artificially curtail the supply of DRAM wafers (by buying 40% of world's supply without necessarily having a feasible plan to make use of all of them], to prevent consumers from getting access to gpus with more and more memory, which could allow them to get dangerously close to the state of art while running local AI
Rather than an increase in VRAM of consumer gpus, we are seeing a decrease, which is pretty optimal for OpenAI
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#207Worth noting that this model, unlike almost all qwen models, is not open-weight, nor is the parameter count exposed. Also odd that it is compared against opus 4.5 even though 4.6 was released like 2 months ago.
If Opus 4.6 was only released two months ago, then it seems reasonable that Qwen hasn't finished fully comparing against the latest Opus.
Well don't we have numbers from both models on these benchmarks already? What else is there to do except include them in the table?
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a publicity stunt, releasing a 300B open model is pretty smart. You can talk about its strong performance and it being “open” and “available,” but it’s so large that most people can’t use it themselves and might try out the cloud-based offering.
I'm running qwen 3.5 397b on very standard hardware. Just use the unsloth quants, they're great. I get like 20t/s or something. It's super not a publicity stunt, qwen 3.5 is the base of the best local models out there IMO.
Well, you didn’t post the specs on your rig. I think it’s probably more correct to say that you run it on very beefy but readily available hardware. My point was not that nobody could run a 300B model, but rather that a 300B model is not going to be runnable by a majority of people. Sure, anyone who wants to run that model and has the money to purchase the hardware can do it. But the hardware is going to be pricey and most people don’t already have it unless they were trying to run large models before this. My overarching point is that most people with average laptop specs purchased over the last 3 to 5 years are going to have to consume this from the cloud. Which is great for Qwen.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're giving up the rest of your country to a geopolitical rival from a separate region, in a separate hemisphere with smiling expansionist goals, even allowing armed Chinese security to protect Chinese installations in country. So why not give the rest of your country to China. It will help them get a good flank on the USA such that even when that temporarily embarrassed country gets a leader you, and the rest of t…
No, a rational decision based on a crazy man in the US. The US needs to learn, that if it threatens its traditional allies, they go to work with china, the main competitor of the US. If the US wants it allies back, the tariffs have to go, and the childlike rhetoric and threats as well. If not, china _deserves_ the business of the US former allies.
Right, and we're not just watching the behaviour of the US administration, we're watching the behaviour of the electorate / populace. At the polling booths but also in online comment sections, as tourists, consumers, etc.
And mostly not liking what we see. Encouraged by the No Kings protests, but unless that boils over into a hegemonic and stronger opposition, it still seems like there's a 40% population there that can't deal rationally with the world inside their own border, let alone outside.
Also... When Biden took over after Trump's first term most of the protectionist policies stayed and foreign policy didn't really budge (outside of support for Ukraine). I expect similar if (big if) the Democrats regain executive power.