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My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Why? Rice is what you eat if you can't afford anything better. This parallels every other culture - the staple food will keep you alive, but if you have any money, you'll eat something better than that. You know how "bread and water" is considered a terrible diet that only prisoners eat, and then only because they're not given a choice? (And how modern prisoners get a much better diet?)

It's much more nuanced than that. Bread and water is prisoner food, but avocado toast and cream-cheese bagels at the corner bodega are considered mid-to-upper-class fare. Pasta (also wheat) can range from kraft mac-and-cheese (poor-coded) to hand-made pasta with pesto sauce. Rice and tea (ochazuke) is historically the "bread and water" equivalent in Japan, but people of every socioeconomic class still eat rice and mi…

> It's much more nuanced than that.

> Bread and water is prisoner food, but avocado toast and cream-cheese bagels at the corner bodega are considered mid-to-upper-class fare.

That's not an example of nuance. An expensive fruit and a heavily-processed cheese are much higher-grade food than bread is.

> Pasta (also wheat) can range from kraft mac-and-cheese (poor-coded) to hand-made pasta with pesto sauce.

Same thing; cheese is a high-grade food, and even pesto is chock full of fat.

> Even though rice is the staple food of Japan, I'd actually argue that instant ramen is much more poor-coded these days than even ochazuke.

And this is a statement that even the poorest people in Japan aren't so poor that they have to subsist on rice. There's no question about which of instant ramen or ochazuke is a better meal. Instant ramen comes with tons of spices, fats, salt, some vegetables, and even a little meat.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Here's a fun thought experiment for you. If you dug a 1 mile cubic square hole. How many humans could you fit into it? The answer is not only all of us but about around an order of magnitude more on top. I'm not sure if this emphasizes how few humans there are, or how massive the Earth is. But it's the same point in both cases. Some human activities can have an outsized impact, but the overwhelming majority of those…

> I'm not sure if this emphasizes how few humans there are, or how massive the Earth is. But it's the same point in both cases. It emphasizes neither! What you've described is a mass grave. Quite literally so. If you killed all living humans (8.3billion), the mass-grave you'd have to dig to put them all in one place isn't quite large indeed! Plus, humans on earth are affected by gravity, so any arrangement of them cu…

I think your intuition of 140m x 140m being a small parcel of land is rather odd. That's a land the length of about 1.5 football fields, in both directions, for each and every person. So for a small family of 4 people, that'd be nearly 3 football fields of space, in all directions, just for themselves. And there's enough space on Earth for literally everybody to have this, including newborn babies as they are part of the population we're counting.

Now factor in larger families and the fact that some people voluntarily will want to live in close quarters (even given a free choice of all options), and you get many football fields of space, again in all directions, for every single person. This is just absolutely massive. And I think calling deserts uninhabitable is quite odd given everything from Nevada to Saudi Arabia. Basically no lands are truly uninhabitable if we want to inhabit them, even including water as the gradually expanding territory of China is demonstrating.

And, as mentioned already, arable lands have nothing to do with population distribution. As you pack people into smaller quarters, you use up just as much arable land, if not more (due to minimizing decentralization possibilities), than you do with wider distribution.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Don’t forget doing only enough manual labour not to get hurt, killed or develop a chronic condition. You can make a lot of money doing many skilled manual jobs in my country. Trades are highly paid and there is not enough supply. Better money than software development. They often wreck their backs, or develop other chronic conditions. The successful ones stop doing manual work by the time they are in their 40s and mo…

@teruakohatu Some example of manual labor well payed in your country? In Italy, sometime manual labors are more safe than others not manual jobs. This is because often the rules and laws protects still human instead the profits.

Forestry is well paid in NZ, the average forester is probably better paid than the average developer. Although the ceiling for software devs is much higher.

But Forestry also has the highest number of industrial accidents.

We have a strong health and safety regime and culture. Most primary industries are heavily automated. Yet it only takes a simple mistake to cause injury.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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Don’t forget doing only enough manual labour not to get hurt, killed or develop a chronic condition. You can make a lot of money doing many skilled manual jobs in my country. Trades are highly paid and there is not enough supply. Better money than software development. They often wreck their backs, or develop other chronic conditions. The successful ones stop doing manual work by the time they are in their 40s and mo…

Is this New Zealand? Don't all the software people migrate to Australia for better wages?

Many do go overseas. They would definitely get paid more in Australia. But New Zealand is a pleasant place to live.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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50:1 10:1 Big range, but still a lot of workers for every foreman. (Father in law did 35yr in carpentry and teaching job corps)

It's really not the ratio but the turnover. Guys who aren't making it up into leadership self select after 5 years or so. The ratios seem unbelievable to those in tech, but I'm just saying you're unlikely to make it to 10 years without having at least the opportunity for some leadership.

> make it to 10 years without having at least the opportunity for some leadership.

Maybe if that person is young and hasn't done real work.

The best ICs are often horrible managers, it's a different career. Same applies idea here. Or just don't want to put up with the bullshit, the fights, the showing up drunk to work, or missing tools, etc.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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> my house eats 100kg of rice in a month What’s the maths on that? A cup of rice would seem a fair bit for a person for a meal. A cup is about 200g. That’s 500 portions a month. 5.5 people for 3 meals a day?

A lot of Asian households are multi-generational, so the maths definitely checks out there. I'm putting my money on more people (8-10) but eating less than 200g per meal (1/2 cup uncooked, ~100g for most people) EDIT, just saw sibling, that's impressive for 5 people, unless the dogs eat a lot of rice too.

It's actually traditionally 1 cup exactly here (scoop a measuring cup out of the rice cooker per plate). Most people in my house are 2-3x daily, I'm 1-2x daily because I didn't grow up eating rice (I prefer bread). We have 2 rice cookers going at dinner because 1 one is for the dogs exclusively.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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So not really "fairly untouched", then. You're going to need more farms and more farmers, and no-one can afford to be shipping food halfway round the planet.

Let's see, I didn't make any claim about untouched - although I do have some strong positions on wetlands cover, corridors, wild old forrest, et al but that's a whole other aside. I'm just here to point out farming and livestock at suprisng to many scales can be operated by fewer people than you might expect. as for: > no-one can afford to be shipping food halfway round the planet. what does the Atlas of Economic Com…

> That and making sure the front doesn't fall off.

Well that's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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But it's more ecologically sustainable to eat what grows where you live. We do not have the capacity to ship food halfway round the world because picky eaters don't like the idea of eating meat and potatoes.

> But it's more ecologically sustainable to eat what grows where you live. Depends on the food, if you're clearing land for a new crop (which many countries have done historically and still do today) then it's not sustainable. And if the native crops are simply not as good nutritionally as the new crop then it's better to eat the new crop even at the ecological cost of the native one, e.g. potatoes vs barley in Irela…

> And if the native crops are simply not as good nutritionally as the new crop then it's better to eat the new crop even at the ecological cost of the native one, e.g. potatoes vs barley in Ireland.

Potatoes and barley both grow pretty well in the UK.

The problem with eating things like soya over here is that you can only do it if you burn a city's worth of diesel every single day to power a container ship to bring it, and it's farmed using horribly unsustainable methods.

The stuff I eat (he says, drinking a cup of Colombian coffee, okay okay, hypocrisy) is grown using techniques and ecological impact more-or-less unchanged from the dawn of agriculture. We use Massey-Fergusons now rather than horses or oxen but there would be nothing stopping you going back to horses, and indeed with diesel at nearly two quid a litre it might well be worth looking at that.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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> My one hope for AI, robotics, self driving cars, is that they can enable people in cities to migrate back to rural places. Why? Honest question. A kid in a town/city has access to a billion opportunities many of which exist only because there are enough people interested.

"A kid in a town/city has access to a billion opportunities many of which exist only because there are enough people interested." Most of those opportunities involve getting hit by a car.

You can always spot an American by statements like this.

It's not a slight against you personally. It's a reflection of how completely dysfunctional United States are.

Re: My Experience as a Rice Farmer

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> My one hope for AI, robotics, self driving cars, is that they can enable people in cities to migrate back to rural places. Why? Honest question. A kid in a town/city has access to a billion opportunities many of which exist only because there are enough people interested.

Why? Honest question. I don't necessarily think everyone should move out of cities to go back to living in rural areas and villages. I want it so that living outside of the city more viable than it is today because there are very real benefits to living there. In a village, everyone knows everyone. Kids play with each other and run around freely. Every house protects all the kids and help each other. Everyone trusts…

> Kids play with each other and run around freely.

> I feel sorry when I see kids today depressed, lonely, and distrusts society.

I feel like you live in the US where everything is just dysfunctional.

I live in Stockholm. Kids play with each other and run around freely. And they have significantly more freedom because they can get anywhere on their own and not rely on an adult with a car.

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