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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by jason_oster »

beej71 wrote: post #165
JKCalhoun wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the lamp. (Heck, I've leaned on LLMs to generate damned SwiftUI code for me.)

There are groups for carpenters who only use hand tools. Obsolete and existing. And, arguably, still useful to all.

True, but carpenters using hand tools are a niche.

If you are implying that programmers who hand code are going the way of carpenters using hand tools, I think I can agree.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by fugalfervor »

jason_oster wrote: post #201
beej71 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are groups for carpenters who only use hand tools. Obsolete and existing. And, arguably, still useful to all.

True, but carpenters using hand tools are a niche. If you are implying that programmers who hand code are going the way of carpenters using hand tools, I think I can agree.

I agree also.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by hackable_sand »

siva7 wrote: post #186
jaredcwhite wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sheer nonsense. Handcoding is thriving and will easily survive long into the future, especially after the bubble bursts (which is already happening).

Amen. Just like hand washing clothes survived the washing machine fade.

Fr. Hand washing helps clothes last longer and you have circulation of fewer micro plastics.

Not to mention it's more resource efficient.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

tarsinge wrote: post #160
jyrkesh wrote: post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

> We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_ That's exactly why I've given up on programming, development or career subreddits. There are a lot of interesting software engineering challenges opening up, but instead of discussing it like professionals it all gets drowned in a big negative mixture of rants against the financial AI bubble, companies using AI as an excuse to lay off, and a…

So you really don't understand why people with real professional experience might be anxious now, and why there is an antiwork vibe? It's not just junior devs.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

kstenerud wrote: post #33

This is to be expected. There's a definite split in the engineering community between those who are embracing AI, and those who are rejecting it. It's now become political, like systemd and wayland.

Even people who are actively embracing it don't want to have 95% of all submissions in most dev-related subs be LLM-adjancent. There are separate subreddits for that, just like there are subreddits about MacOS and Linux specifically, despite a huge number of devs using those OSes.

Also, most discussions about AI / LLMs on career or general programming subreddits are not what I would call productive. I _want_ new useful information about this topic, but I know I won't get it as things are right now.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by tuhgdetzhh »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #206
kstenerud wrote: post #33

This is to be expected. There's a definite split in the engineering community between those who are embracing AI, and those who are rejecting it. It's now become political, like systemd and wayland.

Even people who are actively embracing it don't want to have 95% of all submissions in most dev-related subs be LLM-adjancent. There are separate subreddits for that, just like there are subreddits about MacOS and Linux specifically, despite a huge number of devs using those OSes. Also, most discussions about AI / LLMs on career or general programming subreddits are not what I would call productive. I _want_ new usef…

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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

petercooper wrote: post #86

We also believe that, generally, the community have been indicating that, by and large, they aren't interested in this content. How can that be true? Reddit is vote-based. So if people weren't interested, they wouldn't vote it up and it wouldn't appear on the front page. Hacker News has no rule banning posts about Barbie and yet, amazingly, Barbie rarely makes it to the front page, because that's how upvotes work. Pe…

If you rely on votes you get the lowest denominator posts only. See default subreddits. This is very well known failure mode.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

nromiun wrote: post #106

I had almost forgotten about that subreddit. Sadly it has been in a zombie state for years now. Despite having millions of members you can hardly find even 100+ comments on any post in the front page. Last time I checked only political posts (like related to offshore programmers) got any kind of attention. Most technical posts barely gets 10 comments. Some of the smaller subreddits (like /r/ProgrammingLanguages) are…

It's badly moderated (not enough mod resources or something). There is essentially only one mod. Bad comments have a 99.9% chance of not being moderated out at all, and that killed my interest in participation
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