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Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by azan_ »

keiferski wrote: post #9
aurareturn wrote: post #5

One thing I like about China's education system is the Gaokao entrance exams for universities. It doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, ugly, or beautiful. All it matters is how you score. It's as meritocratic as education can be.

Don’t wealthier families hire tutors to prepare their children? That’s what happens in the US with the SAT/ACT. I think you’d need free, universal SAT tutoring available to everyone in order to be more meritocratic.

> Don’t wealthier families hire tutors to prepare their children?

Effect of tutoring is greatly overstated.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by threethirtytwo »

anal_reactor wrote: post #171
threethirtytwo wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. These aren't beauty. It's status symbols. They are symbols of power, capability and utility. Men are judged by raw power and capability. The industry for beauty for men is more of a way for men to advertise raw capability. It is not "beauty" for "beauties" sake. The beauty industry for women is more superficial. Make up for example serves nothing for status and everything for youth and beauty. Now there are thing…

The problem is that once people become aware how the society actually functions because of our biology, the social contract will collapse.

First, it's very unlikely all people will become aware of it. Our culture has made it taboo to even think in this direction.

Second, nothing will change. People will still behave based off of their instincts and underlying biology. Awareness of the underlying biology doesn't change anything. Men are very much always attracted to young women with nice curves even though they are well aware that this attraction is just an irrational biological instinct. Awareness does not change behavior, therefore, society will not collapse.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by littlecranky67 »

cladopa wrote: post #165

As an attractive person myself that studied engineering in several countries of Europe and some years in the US I don't believe there are many opportunities for you to take advantage of your attractiveness. Most examinations were in written form. I have huge doubts about the study. In cinema, theatre, sure, you need physical presence, but engineering... I don't believe Von Newman would have needed presence to impress…

I'm not sure what or why you use AI for this text (translation?) but even in foreign language universities, it is "von Neumann" - wouldn't be translated as your AI did.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by triceratops »

WarmWash wrote: post #156
keiferski wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t wealthier families hire tutors to prepare their children? That’s what happens in the US with the SAT/ACT. I think you’d need free, universal SAT tutoring available to everyone in order to be more meritocratic.

The actual problem is that we are not blank slates, and wealthy parents tend to be wealthy because they are more intelligent, and likewise give birth to predisposed-to-be-intelligent babies. I always find it slightly ironic how mother nature gets so much reverence from ostensibly communal types, despite her being the most shamelessly power hungry entity ever conceived.

> wealthy parents tend to be wealthy because they are more intelligent

Not "more intelligent", just "unusual in some way". People can be wealthier than average for all sorts of reasons unrelated to intelligence (as defined by IQ). Here's a sampling of them:

Being social and good at sales. Most successful real estate agents I've met don't strike me as particularly brilliant.

Working a boring job, living modestly, and investing in index funds for 20 years.

Winning the lottery (either literally, or by accidentally buying something cheaply that turned out to be worth a lot)

Marrying rich and divorcing.

Inheriting wealth.

Being a successful athlete or entertainer.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by magiclaw »

amelius wrote: post #163
Aurornis wrote: post #108

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> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

> He also bought a new wardrobe and replaced his old worn out logo T-shirts and cargo shorts with clothes more appropriate for an adult. I think the problem many __men__ have with that is that an "appropriate" wardrobe looks more uniform and less individualized, basically boring.

I guess it all depends on the type of women you're trying to attract. I'm married and have kids, so old worn out logo t-shirts and cargo shorts sound nice and comfortable to me, in most everyday situations. I'll dress appropriate for the circumstance.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by deeg »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #161
Aurornis wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

I have a lot of respect for folks that successfully lose a great deal of weight. If I know someone did that, my estimation of them generally goes up, several notches. I'm no stranger to quitting stuff, but significant weight loss is still terrifying to me. I could benefit from losing 20-30 lbs, myself, and it's not been easy. Success has been ... elusive . Maybe it's different, these days, with GLP-1 drugs (I have al…

Losing weight is one of the prime examples of the difference between simple and easy. We've evolved over millions of years to try to gain weight; reversing that is hard.

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Post by j_w »

dickbutt2 wrote: post #200

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> Being fat is now a style a preference.

> Being attractive gets you all sorts of unwarranted hatred, targets on your back etc. for doing nothing.

I'm not aware of what fantasy land exists where attractive people are hated and being fat is the new style trend. Certainly not there one where GLP-1s become the hottest new pharmaceutical.

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Post by Insanity »

alpha_squared wrote: post #132

A couple things here: 1. This should have a 2022 tag 2. This is ripe "red pill" fodder and many of the comments here are "red pill" coded.

Only recently learned about the 'red pill' thing by watching the 'manosphere' documentary by Louis Theroux. For others unaware how it relates to the above comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere.

The documentary was an interesting if somewhat unsettling thing to watch.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by ecshafer »

mikkupikku wrote: post #115
torginus wrote: post #99

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I think most 'attractive' people put effort into their appearances, which might appeal to management types who evaluate work performance. Also, imo the best way to get a management position in my experience isn't to work hard, or be knowledgeable, but to be the least objectionable pick. This varies with country/company, with Euros usually being appearance focused, but in US companies, it's dudes in crumpled T-shirts…

Best way to get a manager position is to be a few inches taller than everybody else. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but pay attention to how often the boss is taller than everybody else on the team. Not always, but far more often than random chance can account for. (Incidentally, the best boss I ever had was barely 5 feet.)

IIRC CEOs have a very high average height, and height can account for a very large portion of the female vs male management disparity.

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Post by ryandrake »

retsibsi wrote: post #82
crims0n wrote: post #6

> When education is in-person, attractive students receive higher grades in non-quantitative subjects, in which teachers tend to interact more with students compared to quantitative courses. I wonder how much of this is less about attraction and more about social skills. Granted, higher attraction affords more opportunity to develop those skills, but I have met plenty of charming people who were not conventionally at…

> Granted, higher attraction affords more opportunity to develop those skills I think this is largely a distraction from the direct effect. For any level of social skill, good-looking people at that level are perceived much more positively than others at the same level. The question of the causal effect between physical attractiveness and social skill is interesting, though. There are plausible stories both ways, imo…

> the same behaviours that work for a good-looking person might backfire terribly for someone at the other end of the scale.

This was summed up well in the "Hello, Human Resources?" cartoon[1]

1: https://www.threads.com/@smiling__sisyphus/post/DN56r2hkRXs/...

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