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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by ib33 »

hakrgrl wrote: post #161
Waterluvian wrote: post #120

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Or machine gun defence when you're protecting tens of thousands of Iranians from the Islamist regime. The difference is the US had bad intelligence and acknowledges it's a tragedy. The regime intentionally murders by the thousands and would murder more if it wasn't thwarted by the US and Israel. And somehow you're more upset about the former not the latter. > Since the beginning of the 2025–2026 Iranian protests, the…

Why not remove sanctions so the civilians have less conflict with the regime? The protest and every death can also be blamed on those who cancelled the deal.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by 15155 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #152
anonymars wrote: post #55

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Other than that, of course, WWII was perfectly civilized

I mean in relative terms ... It never ceases to amaze me that demonstrating such a weapon on civilian targets somehow made it past the entire chain of command. One of those things that I just can't wrap my head around no matter how many times I come back to it.

They weren't exclusively civilian targets, they were considered "mixed" targets. Hirohito's home wasn't considered strategically-important enough and therefore didn't make the cut.

The sites in question were also specifically selected because they hadn't previously faced conventional attack, enabling a more accurate damage assessment.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by onfir3 »

franze wrote: post #61

here is my version with algo generated levels and you have to navigate a ship from left to right https://strait-sweeper.franzai.com/

Cool! But on level 10 the ship can't move further to the goal although the path is cleared. No movement forward is allowed

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by adwn »

nutjob2 wrote: post #147
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

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Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Sometimes a mistake is negligence. If you're going to use lethal force it's a good idea to check your facts first. It's been a school for years, how was that missed? None of that happened because the US was unprepared for this war. It was Bibi's idea and Trump is weak and incompetent so he just went along with it, ironically because he thought it would avoid making him look weak and incompetent.

> ironically because he thought it would avoid making him look weak and incompetent

Trump is what a weak man imagines a strong man to be like. Just look at his official portrait [1], trying to look tough and dangerous. Compare that to Dwight D. Eisenhower's portrait [2], a man who commanded entire armies in the largest war in human history.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#/media/File:Offic...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower#/media/Fi...

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

mhb wrote: post #199
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #182

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> someone worse You do not get to decide that. If we allow everyone to invade other countries and murder leaders because they deem those people worse than themselves, the world will be engaged in endless war. Or do you think perhaps deciding who to invade and kill is a special privilege reserved only for your country, which should be emperor of the world?

With this reasoning, how do you make any decisions in your everyday life? Does everything look like a morally relativistic gray to you?

??? Do most of your everyday life decisions involve starting wars or killing people? That's concerning. Are you a high-ranking officer in the US military? As it happens, I'm not, and my decisions do not typically have life-or-death consequences.

I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist, each country must be able to accept that there will be other people in the world who are morally repugnant to them. Because there will always be leaders who consider each other repugnant, so if you endorse starting wars over that, you're committing to a world where everyone is starting wars all the time as the international norm.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Pay08 »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #132
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

>> In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives. You should really unpack these statements, especially if you're trying to have a "grown up conversation". You're saying that no price is too high for achieving military objectives, even those that are very unclear and unilaterally defined without justification by a easily distrac…

He isn't saying that at all, though. He is saying that by the nature of war, innocent people will die. Everyone knows this, which is why international law is based on proportionality, not on whether or not a single civilian was harmed.

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Post by hakrgrl »

pjc50 wrote: post #188
hakrgrl wrote: post #99

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I don't really agree with rooting against the USA just because you don't like the president. An Islamist Iran with nukes is a scary proposition. I'm glad someone is finally doing something about it rather than sending palettes of cash on an jet to radical Muslims.

> palettes of cash on an jet to radical Muslims. You mean the US bipartisan strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is there any plan to do this differently to those expensive failures?

> is there any plan to do this differently to those expensive failures?

Why are you asking me? You can listen to the secretary of war (a veteran of those wars) and the president describe their strategy themselves. They are extremely transparent.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by nixon_why69 »

hakrgrl wrote: post #166
zimpenfish wrote: post #157

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Secretly-ish - it was announced publicly 7 months prior (Jan 2016) and it was the first instalment of a legal settlement, not just some random or ransom payment. Obviously Republicans decried it with bad faith bullshit because reality and sanity don't matter to them.

"reality and sanity"? The reality is the US gave them cash to improve their living standards and enrich their country, not their uranium. With that money they chose to massacre their own people and fund terrorism across the region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

Again, it was legally owed money, a decades-old arbitration claim from some arms deal.

Now we're spending a multiple of that literally every day for this war. And screwing the global economy in the process. Is this a better deal?

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