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I'd link to some of the many studies published by reputable sources, but I suspect you'll brush them aside with your caveats
That 'caveat' is the actual science. So it's a pretty big deal.
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I tend to avoid placing the blame on individuals (parents in this case) when the problem being described is so widespread. People act as rationally as they can, so if it's that common, it's a systemic failure. Scolding the masses is a fool's errand.
> People act as rationally as they can We’re talking about underdeveloped minds in the face of excruciating social and physiological pressure. I’m pretty sure the systemic failure is, in part, that parents are, en masse, abdicating their responsibilities of guiding their children through the minefield of modern technology, from iPad kids on up. The reasons why vary - and include being addicted themselves. I’d love to…
One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dangerous situations. What it doesn't do is return them back to a time when a couple of quarters could call mom or dad.
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Probably a similar problem to AI. Using AI for the sake of AI in an engineering workflow probably wastes time right now. Using technology in the classroom for the sake of using technology is probably similar. Is it really creating access, opportunity, saving time. All that? I am skeptical. I have had similar experiences with my children over time. There was a layer of technology that made sense for education. Probabl…
Well saving time it does not. My daughter got a 0/20 for a test that she sat and did. Now she's not a complete idiot so this was suspicious. I asked about it and they said that it was likely that she didn't get any questions right. I asked for them to provide me with a copy of the exam paper so I could independently verify that. Magically she got a 17/20 grade updated but no paper appeared. I pushed it further and wa…
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What a vulgar situation. Policy made from a moral panic and - look at that - it is negatively impacting actual people who exist.
It's not a moral panic. There are loads of studies indicating that disconnected classrooms produce better outcomes for students. I'm not sure what argument there is for allowing all students unfettered access to their phones, but feel free to present one.
People panic in fires, trampling one another trying to get out. The danger is real, but so is the damage caused by the panic.
Here people are responding to real harms but we're often jumping to conclusions. Trying to act too fast. Thinking it is better to do something rather than nothing. But that's not always true. We see this happen with all sorts of complex problems we face these days. People care more about having an answer than they do a solution. This one is no different. We get bad answers like the above because people are rushing and not thinking about the consequences. But if things were as easy to solve as were wish they were then they'd already have been solved. The "easy" part only comes after a lot of hard work and really only from a high level
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> Parents have no business tracking their kids when they're at school The tracker sends a notification when they're not at school, that's the point. Plus, I can lock down social media apps only during school hours. Blanket statements like this are plain ignorant. Also, I'm glad Utah finally passed a similar ban. Phones in use in class are a tremendous distraction 99% of the time.
This is ridiculous. The school will notify you if the student is not at school, or the teachers will eventually (or their grades/missing assignments). Also you don't need to track your kids to enable school time mode, if you want to lock down their phone during school. What are you going to do when they go to college? Track them? Monitor them? Make sure they go to classes? At some point, you just have to trust your k…
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It's not a moral panic. There are loads of studies indicating that disconnected classrooms produce better outcomes for students. I'm not sure what argument there is for allowing all students unfettered access to their phones, but feel free to present one.
There can be moral (or other) panics to real dangers. That doesn't mean cool heads don't lead to better solutions. People panic in fires, trampling one another trying to get out. The danger is real, but so is the damage caused by the panic. Here people are responding to real harms but we're often jumping to conclusions. Trying to act too fast. Thinking it is better to do something rather than nothing. But that's not…
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It's not a moral panic. There are loads of studies indicating that disconnected classrooms produce better outcomes for students. I'm not sure what argument there is for allowing all students unfettered access to their phones, but feel free to present one.
There are no reputable studies showing both correlation and causation there.
Learning to read or to do mathematics is like anything else, it takes practice. We know, intuitively from our own lives and observes virtually all humans, that humans perform better with less distractions. It would be hard to learn how to play the Tuba with me screaming behind you. It would be hard to learn chess with a movie playing in front of you.
Phones are distractions. Less phones = less distractions = better performance, smarter kids, more likelihood to graduate, higher average income.
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> it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids That's such bullshit. - There is no emergency that require students to contact anyone. Communication can go through the school - Parents have no business tracking their kids when they're at school
> Parents have no business tracking their kids when they're at school The tracker sends a notification when they're not at school, that's the point. Plus, I can lock down social media apps only during school hours. Blanket statements like this are plain ignorant. Also, I'm glad Utah finally passed a similar ban. Phones in use in class are a tremendous distraction 99% of the time.
I think this mostly boils down to our ever-connected society producing unreasonable expectations of communications. It is a very, very recent phenomena that you can instantly contact whoever whenever you want. Previously, it was common place to be unreachable for most of the day.
Realistically, your kid will survive, and even thrive, if you are not able to contact them for 8 hours a day. There is a downside to this kind of tether. It's a new type of ever-present anxiety, like someone breathing down your neck. Half of raising kids is teaching them what to do. The other half is leaving them alone, so they can learn to be competent adults.
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> People act as rationally as they can We’re talking about underdeveloped minds in the face of excruciating social and physiological pressure. I’m pretty sure the systemic failure is, in part, that parents are, en masse, abdicating their responsibilities of guiding their children through the minefield of modern technology, from iPad kids on up. The reasons why vary - and include being addicted themselves. I’d love to…
The society that supports phoneless children no longer exists. It stopped sometime in the 2010s. Taking away phones doesn't bring that infrastructure back, it culminates in something new and worse. One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dan…
No, teach them some motherfucking respect,
so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
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There can be moral (or other) panics to real dangers. That doesn't mean cool heads don't lead to better solutions. People panic in fires, trampling one another trying to get out. The danger is real, but so is the damage caused by the panic. Here people are responding to real harms but we're often jumping to conclusions. Trying to act too fast. Thinking it is better to do something rather than nothing. But that's not…
What does this have to do with kids having phones during school?