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Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by BizarroLand »

naravara wrote: post #82
HexPhantom wrote: post #58

At some point, either subscriptions have to carry more of the load or the web experience just keeps degrading

Or someone can invent an ad supported business model that isn’t abusive. A lot of print magazines, like Vogue or even Field & Stream, are like 60% or more full page ads. But if you’re reading something like New Bride magazine you’re probably actively shopping for wedding dresses and flowers and such, so the advertising ideally works as part of what makes the magazine valuable for the reader and the advertiser. The re…

I've long thought this. Ads don't need to follow people. They don't need to track. The entire world suffers under the weight of corporate internet surveillance.

If I want to know something, I will search for it. The sites that offer the info could easily choose to show ads specifically relevant to the topic at hand instead of hiring out that task to a cyberstalker.

I don't want to see ads for pet medicines on multiple sites because some algorithm has decided that I have a pet in need of medical assistance. I don't have a pet at all.

I'm sure I only get those because I'm using apps to poison my digital footprint, but my ex-gf, who didn't and did have pets, probably got my home IP tagged as a pet owner.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by suzzer99 »

suzzer99 wrote: post #147
arcxi wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIP full Ublock Origin it's alive and well

In Chrome?

I do web development, it makes no sense for me to use a browser most of the public doesn't use. Also I have a ton of extensions that help with development. Firefox is painful.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by harikb »

saltyoldman wrote: post #186
MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

What frustrates me to no end, is that Youtube makes about $2 per user per month from ads. Yet if i want to go ad free, they expect me to pay $14 per month. Why in the hell would they not just sell it to me at cost for $2. Heck, I'll even say I'll be a customer for the REST OF TIME if they did that. I understand why Netflix and other vendors charge $12 - $20 because it has to pay for the copyright. But Youtube does NO…

Unless you have some first hand information that I have, you are more than 10x off.

> I refuse to buy Youtube ad free until they drop the price to something $3 or below...

There in lies the problem. Your eye balls (assuming well employed with $$$ disposable income) is another 10x worth to advertisers.

If I were to make a guess, Youtube for sure will lose money at $14/month on your specific browser.

You are literally subsidizing internet for, let us say for arguments sake, some zip code in rural america or 's Youtube streaming needs.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by Night_Thastus »

These days, I assume every web page is actively hostile until proven otherwise. Use as many layers of protection (uBlock, PiHole, various other extensions, etc.) as possible, filter out content when possible, and bail if those don't work.

Youtube is just about the worst that I've put up with for it. Every single second it's trying desperately to inject more ads, which the blocker swiftly removes. After watching for a few minutes the block count can be in the several hundred...

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by aldousd666 »

The web is the enemy. I have an ad blocking VPN and I use GroundNews to filter out sites that have paywalls. Between those two things, I lead a relatively sane life. But I tried looking at some of the same places on an unflitered device and man, I can't even imagine living like that. It now costs me $100/year in ad blocking/circumvention just so I don't want to kill the browser.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by doubled112 »

aldousd666 wrote: post #205

The web is the enemy. I have an ad blocking VPN and I use GroundNews to filter out sites that have paywalls. Between those two things, I lead a relatively sane life. But I tried looking at some of the same places on an unflitered device and man, I can't even imagine living like that. It now costs me $100/year in ad blocking/circumvention just so I don't want to kill the browser.

Is the adblocking VPN doing anything some DNS block lists on your router or device wouldn’t do?

You can’t do MITM on HTTPS anyway, so I can’t imagine they would do anything more than a $20 Pi Zero and PiHole, except for the fact that somebody else is managing it.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by aldousd666 »

krunck wrote: post #177
martinsb wrote: post #157

I really wish that browsers natively supported some sort of "402 Payment Required" HTTP status code (or any other well-known specified indicator) that users could pay with micropayments, so that they wouldn't have to drown us in this ad garbage. I would gladly pay small but justified sum for an article without setting up payment method on each site and be able to return to it. I would be glad even to donate some amou…

This is doable today if there was a will. But the advertising/surveillance industry doesn't want it.

Transaction costs make it inefficient. Costs more to effect the transfer than they would be able to charge for the articles.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by aldousd666 »

doubled112 wrote: post #207
aldousd666 wrote: post #205

The web is the enemy. I have an ad blocking VPN and I use GroundNews to filter out sites that have paywalls. Between those two things, I lead a relatively sane life. But I tried looking at some of the same places on an unflitered device and man, I can't even imagine living like that. It now costs me $100/year in ad blocking/circumvention just so I don't want to kill the browser.

Is the adblocking VPN doing anything some DNS block lists on your router or device wouldn’t do? You can’t do MITM on HTTPS anyway, so I can’t imagine they would do anything more than a $20 Pi Zero and PiHole, except for the fact that somebody else is managing it.

I could do that, but then I'd have to maintain it. I used to hostfile hack my devices. but the vpn is just easier.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by [deleted] »

saltyoldman wrote: post #186
MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

What frustrates me to no end, is that Youtube makes about $2 per user per month from ads. Yet if i want to go ad free, they expect me to pay $14 per month. Why in the hell would they not just sell it to me at cost for $2. Heck, I'll even say I'll be a customer for the REST OF TIME if they did that. I understand why Netflix and other vendors charge $12 - $20 because it has to pay for the copyright. But Youtube does NO…

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