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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by dylan604 »

kreyenborgi wrote: post #182
dylan604 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

someone designing for mobile first and wanted to maximize screen space. we don't have to be obtuse about it. it was an idea that just didn't go over as well as hoped. clearly, some people like it. it's not your cup of tea, great. now, we all know your feelings. next time i build a site, i'll be sure to get your opinions first.

> maximize screen space But it's not maximizing it, that's the whole problem. It keeps coming back and blocking the line I'm reading. If they actually wanted to maximize screen space, it is trivial to just leave the top bar at the top of the page and not make it reappear when I scroll slightly back, no js/css needed.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand is it? You scroll down to read content so it disappears to maximize screen. If you start to scroll up, there's a pretty decent chance you might be wanting to go back to the top. If so, here's a shortcut. If not, then yeah it's annoying so you scroll up a bit and then scroll down again to make it go away. It's not the worst idea. It's not something everyone likes. I'm not exactly a fan, yet I'm not so distressed by it as others like yourself. It's less annoying than liquid glass to me.

Others have tried saving undoing scroll to the top with buttons that appear in the margins with "Back To Top" labels. Is it better? worse? It's just another idea. Scrolling all the way back to the top for site navigation on longer pages is annoying. Nothings perfect.

You cannot please all people all the time.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by dylan604 »

toss1 wrote: post #170
dylan604 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

someone designing for mobile first and wanted to maximize screen space. we don't have to be obtuse about it. it was an idea that just didn't go over as well as hoped. clearly, some people like it. it's not your cup of tea, great. now, we all know your feelings. next time i build a site, i'll be sure to get your opinions first.

Even on mobile, where I most frequently encounter it, it really stinks. I don't know where you found any personality who actually likes it, outside of your own head. If you really must show me the content of the header because in your judgement I can _NOT_ be left alone to read the article I opened instead of your critical header info, show me first and once, and let me access it again off the hamburger menu if it's…

> I don't know where you found any personality who actually likes it, outside of your own head.

That's probably because I don't like it myself. You thinking I did like it is something in your head.

As a developer, I can understand why it was created. Sometimes, ideas sound good as a concept, but you really don't know if it is or not until it's actually done. I find this much less annoying than sites that hijack the scroll bar to do their own cool scrolling. For somethings, it's neat. Kind of like some Flash sites did some cool things. It's the ones that try to be like the cool thing but have a totally different site where it just doesn't fit. Those are the really annoying sites. I don't like a lot of the way lots of other developers have implemented things. I just make a note of something I found annoying, and avoid doing that thing on my projects. I'm only able to do things I'm in control of, and try hard to recognize when it's not in my control and just move along. I don't let it ruin my day.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by halapro »

jeff_tyrrill wrote: post #99

I feel like the scroll fade fad is misunderstanding layered on bugs, turtles all the way down. Once upon a time, developers implemented lazy loading of images, to save bandwidth. However, some developers implemented it poorly, waiting until the moment an image is scrolled on-screen to even start loading it, leading to a visible blip as you scroll. (The better way would be to load an additional pageful of images beyon…

If you opened any "web design awards" website you'd know how terribly wrong you are.

People will animate the sh out of any element exclusively for you to go "wow". It does not go much deeper than that. Designers and developers spend weeks scrolling up and down completely disregarding content. It looks cool, nothing else matters.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by halapro »

yards wrote: post #10

I raise you one. Death to the parallax scroll. In fact, death to all scroll animations.

Real parallax is fine if done well. A subtle image parallax looks great on some websites. If you're talking about "move any random element at different speed without rhyme or reason," then yeah, I agree with you. We all hate it.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by halapro »

xenadu02 wrote: post #89

Scrolling is broken by everyone everywhere. Scrolling to the bottom then forcing me to click "show more"? Lazy. A truly horrible experience. I don't know how anyone could think that is a good idea. The worst offenders are the ones showing me products. You might as well not have pages of products at all. Just tell me these 12 are the only ones you have because I've already lost interest. Not that most web stores are a…

You might want to take some time off the internet, I can smell your liver from here.

The internet sucks, it always sucked, most people don't know how to do anything properly, trends ruin everything else. It's always going to suck, most things do. Time to take a chill pill and learn to live with it.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by eru »

wtallis wrote: post #90
chrismorgan wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got an example of what you mean? Because if you mean the only thing I can think of, I very strongly disagree.

Hijacking native scroll behavior to badly reimplement anything remotely like scrolling is wrong even in a gaming context. But if you're implementing Half Life 2 in a browser, where the user no longer has a normal cursor , then hijacking scrolling to implement the weapon switcher is fine.

Yes, that. Or some weird experimental stuff, like running an emulator for the Playdate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playdate_(console) or whatever. Games are allowed to be a bit wacky, and no one is forced to play them.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by wtallis »

slopinthebag wrote: post #116
knorker wrote: post #25

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> when it's done well It's always awful. This site is exagerated in degree, but in kind it's merely on the scale of awful. Computers should not waste my time. Even if eyes are 10ms faster than the awful fade, if a million people see it, that's almost three hours of human life down the drain. And when scrolling fast, or far, it's not uncommon to have it waste a second of human time. A million of those is 38 human work…

> million of those is 38 human working days, just flushed down the toilet, because someone wanted "pleasant". This is the wrong conclusion. The amount of work that can be accomplished summing one second from 38 million people is approximately zero - much different from stealing 1 day from 38 people or 1 hour from 912.

It doesn't matter whether useful economic work can be accomplished with savings of one second per person. Directly inflicting frustration one second at a time is still a bad thing.

And obviously, those seconds can add up to meaningful time wasted even on an individual basis.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by [deleted] »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by zombot »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

Safari has a "Remove Distracting Elements" feature. Try that. Some web sites can only be visited with the weapons of an exterminator at hand.
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