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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by fakedang »

breppp wrote: post #188
Hikikomori wrote: post #181

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>and unfortunately for us the palestinians political leadership has brought us all into this scenario Simply not true. The plan from the start was to take over the area for jews, see Ben Gurions private letters. Netanyahu has supported Hamas to make sure that Palestine couldn't be politically united to be able to continue taking over the west bank. The power balance has since long been tipped to one side that is engi…

"We must seek agreement and understanding with the Arab people only through the Arab worker, and only an alliance of Jewish and Arab workers will establish and maintain an alliance of the Jewish and Arab peoples in Palestine" That's a Ben Gurion quote, who was a socialist and believed in shared class struggle of Jews and Arabs. The rest of your comment is influenced by other lack of nuance

Well newsflash, the Israeli socialists and left wing have lost all influence for the most part. The only way you can form a government in the Knesset today is by a coalition of parties, most of which lean right-wing to far-right or ultra-Orthodox.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by moogly »

morgengold wrote: post #189

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

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Post by IshKebab »

airforce1 wrote: post #182

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I think you're right. Obviously this is awful and the IDF shouldn't be doing this and should be held responsible (of course they won't). But it seems like the implicit message behind the story is Palestine good, Israel bad, which at best is a massive oversimplification.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by wreath »

morgengold wrote: post #189

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

> i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

I think by now we all know this is a straw man, considering the disproportionate amount of power both parties have. There is absolutely no excuse left for what Israel has been doing in Gaza.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by fakedang »

aristofun wrote: post #179
throw310822 wrote: post #128

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No that actually never happened. The very day Israel declared its independence its army was already outside the territory proposed for it by the UN's partition plan. Israel itself never declared what its borders were.

wrong Here are only some examples of Israel compromising (land and other) for the sake of peace: 1. Hebron Protocol — 1997 2. Wye River Memorandum — 1998 3. Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum — 1999 4. Gaza Disengagement Plan — 2005 5. Naharayim/Baqura and Tzofar/Ghamr special-regime expiration — 2019 6. Israel-Lebanon Maritime Boundary Agreement — 2022 Those only that were applied, many more offers were rejected by other si…

Well somebody didn't inform the settlers. Tell me why does Ma'ale Adumim even exist then?

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Post by otikik »

nxor2 wrote: post #194
busterarm wrote: post #165

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The last time I was in Berlin (2018), I was actually somewhat shocked by the amount of antisemitic graffiti that I saw just about everywhere (especially on lamp posts). Especially given the strictness of the laws against such speech.

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Wait until you hear Muslims in Europe can be openly gay.
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