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The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by steveBK123 »

amelius wrote: post #162
alexpotato wrote: post #10

I work as a DevOps/SRE and have been doing it FinTech (bank, hedge funds, startups) and Crypto (L1 chain) for almost 20 years. My thoughts on vibe coding vs production code: - vibe coding can 100% get you to a PoC/MVP probably 10x faster than pre LLMs - This is partly b/c it is good at things I'm not good at (e.g. front end design) - But then I need to go in and double check performance, correctness, information flow…

Also, now you're reading someone else's code and not everybody likes that. In fact, most self-proclaimed 10x coders I know hate it. So instead of the 10x coder doing it, the 1x coder does it, but then that factor of 3x becomes 0.3x.

Absolutely. In my experience there are more “good coders” than people who are good at code review/PR/iterative feedback with another dev.

A lot of people are OCD pedants about stuff that can be solved with a linter (but can’t be bothered to implement one) or just “LGTM” everything. Neither provide value or feedback to help develop other devs.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by matwood »

niemandhier wrote: post #4

With sufficiently advanced vibe coding the need for certain type of product just vanishes. I needed it, I quickly build it myself for myself, and for myself only.

Products where the only value was the code are definitely under pressure. But, how many products are really like that? I suggest everyone look up HALO that’s so popular in investing right now, and start looking at companies with the assumption that the value of the code is zero so what other value is there. There’s often a lot more there than people realize.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

ryandrake wrote: post #110
Aurornis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a big gap between reality and the influencer posts about LLMs. I agree with you that LLMs do provide some significant acceleration, but the influencers have tried to exaggerate this into unbelievable numbers. Even non-influencers are trying to exaggerate their LLM skills as a way to get hired or raise their status on LinkedIn. I rarely read the LinkedIn social feed but when I check mine it’s now filled with c…

> I rarely read the LinkedIn social feed but when I check mine it’s now filled with claims from people about going from idea to shipped product in N days (with a note at the bottom that they’re looking for a new job or available to consult with your company). This always seems to be the pattern. "I vibe coded my product and shipped it in 96 hours!" OK, what's the product? Why haven't I heard of it? Why can't it repla…

"I come from a state that raises corn and cotton and cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me."

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

quater321 wrote: post #127
alexpotato wrote: post #10

I work as a DevOps/SRE and have been doing it FinTech (bank, hedge funds, startups) and Crypto (L1 chain) for almost 20 years. My thoughts on vibe coding vs production code: - vibe coding can 100% get you to a PoC/MVP probably 10x faster than pre LLMs - This is partly b/c it is good at things I'm not good at (e.g. front end design) - But then I need to go in and double check performance, correctness, information flow…

At this point, every programmer who claims that vibecoding doesn't make you at least 10 times more productive is simply lying or worst, doesn't know how to vibe code. -So, you want to tell me that you don't review the code you write? Or that others don't review it? - You bring up ONE example with a bottleneck that has nothing to do with programming. Again, if you claim it doesn't make you 10x more productive, you don…

Can you link to one launched product with users for us?

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by user34283 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #152
WarmWash wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just reading the room. People hate having to use their computers through the lens of quasi-robot humans (saying that as one of those robots). They hate having to pay monthly just so dumb features and UI overhauls can be pushed on them. They just want the software to do the few things they need it to do. AI labs are falling over themselves to remove the gate keeping regular people from using their computing devic…

> the progress there in the last few years is nothing short of absolutely astounding Yet, all the astounding progress notwithstanding, I don't have a suite of bespoke tools replacing the ones I depend on. I cannot say "hey claude, make me a suite of bespoke software infrastructure monitoring and operational tooling tailored to my specific needs" and expect anything more than a giant headache and wasted time. So maybe…

And what exactly is preventing you from building bespoke software for "infrastructure monitoring and operational tooling tailed to your specific needs"?

I could certainly imagine building myself some sort of dashboard. It would seem like a prime use case.

You want to hear about a problem solved? Recently I extended a tool that snaps high resolution images to a Pixel art grid, adding a GUI. I added features to remove the background, to slice individual assets out of it automatically, and to tile them in 9-slice mode.

Could I have realistically implemented the same bespoke tool before AI? No.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by sieste »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #193
sieste wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many parents are extremely interested in quickly building digital tools for their kids (education and entertainment) that they know are free from advertising, social media integration, user monitoring etc.

I'm saying this with all my love and respect: you are living in a very small bubble

That may be true. But you also have to give the average parent more credit by assuming they don't want tech companies spying on their children and forcing their toxic platforms on them.

There are well attended parent evenings in our school on that topic.

Thinking about it, we should turn these into vibe coding hackathons where we replace all the ad-ridden little games, learning tools, messengers we don't like with healthy alternatives.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by nswango »

robhlt wrote: post #165
Aperocky wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The magic is testing. Having locally available testing and high throughput testing with high amount of test cases now unlocks more speed. The test cases themselves becomes the foci - the LLM usually can't get them right.

How does that test suite get built and validated? A comprehensive and high quality test suite is usually much larger than the codebase it tests. For example, the sqlite test suite is 590x [1] the size of the library itself 1. https://sqlite.org/testing.html

sqlite is an extreme outlier not a typical example, with regard to test suite size and coverage.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by cheschire »

ryandrake wrote: post #186
colechristensen wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto has very narrow usage unless you're a criminal or a bro, NFT has essentially 0 non-bro activity, surely AI attracts bros, but also some of the smartest people I've known have been working on it a long time to build truly useful things. AI can be really attractive to bros but also be incredibly useful. In other words, AI isn't a trend that's going to pass, it's permanently going to reshape the tech scene and ec…

> AI isn't a trend that's going to pass, it's permanently going to reshape the tech scene and economy in a way that cryptocoins and NFTs absolutely did not. This exact wording was used for crypto. "It isn't a trend that's going to pass" and "It's going to reshape everything." Why are we sure of it now for AI (and that we're going to be right), when they were also sure of it before for crypto (and they ended up wrong)…

People's grandmothers know what AI is and many have used it, even outside the west.

Probably zero grandmothers outside the west, and very few grandmothers within the west, know what NFT even stands for.

Re: The 100 hour gap between a vibecoded prototype and a working product

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Post by piersj225 »

ryandrake wrote: post #110
Aurornis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a big gap between reality and the influencer posts about LLMs. I agree with you that LLMs do provide some significant acceleration, but the influencers have tried to exaggerate this into unbelievable numbers. Even non-influencers are trying to exaggerate their LLM skills as a way to get hired or raise their status on LinkedIn. I rarely read the LinkedIn social feed but when I check mine it’s now filled with c…

> I rarely read the LinkedIn social feed but when I check mine it’s now filled with claims from people about going from idea to shipped product in N days (with a note at the bottom that they’re looking for a new job or available to consult with your company). This always seems to be the pattern. "I vibe coded my product and shipped it in 96 hours!" OK, what's the product? Why haven't I heard of it? Why can't it repla…

I found one example of this going very wrong on reddit the other day -

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1rckopd/huntarr...

One redditor security reviews a vibe coded project

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