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E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by trinsic2 »

sisve wrote: post #114
trinsic2 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like e2ee on phones with OSes from the big two is a lost cause. I'll bet this is the year where open hardware/bios starts getting more popular, hopefully. So we can have open hardware/software.

Even with e/os/ or another u De-googled version of android? Not directly to you but in general: I do not think (most) of Europe is going the same direction as US. I actually see a lot of hope in response to EU leaders about digital infrastructure, communication & security. we have started to stop realing on America, but it will take 10-20 years before you see the entire crash trump made

Yea sorry I was speaking from the U.S. perspective. But still Europe is still involved in certain things like age gating. That is a clear sign that there are some entrenched interests that want to erode privacy on that front. I hope that moving away from U.S. corps for communication services happens. We (U.S.) really need a kick in the pants. I feel like there is authoritarian agendas everywhere now though.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by trinsic2 »

fragmede wrote: post #184
vova_hn2 wrote: post #159

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I hope so, but I just don't understand what exactly causes such massive price difference. Is it because this kind of phones are a very niche product so they can't benefit from the economy of scale? Maybe android phone manufacturers can get better deals from chip manufacturers because they buy chips in large quantities?

Yes exactly that. The weak hardware at those prices are the best they can afford. The economy of scale that they can afford let's them charge that little for flagship phone and still makes money. People won't put their money where their mouths are, we're all too cheap to pay what things are really worth.

It's not just this but there are also devices that can be sold artificially cheaper because advertisers are the real customers

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by trinsic2 »

john_strinlai wrote: post #101
trinsic2 wrote: post #94

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Agreed. What I meant to say is at least the younger generation are starting to see past this smoke screen more so now than maybe 20 years ago.

that is very refreshing to hear. i teach tech in college and just earlier today made a post about how i am not seeing the same when i compare my current students to students 5, 10, or 15 years ago. i hope that i am the one in the bubble.

I'm part of a community around the stop killing games initiative. So maybe it's a bit slanted because most might be pc gamers (technically inclined). But it's a pretty big movement on this front and most of them see right through this. A lot of them don't like what discord is doing. Whether or not they'll put there money where there mouth is is another matter.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by slim »

avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

the purpose of this move is to feed your private conversations to ai

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Post by fsflover »

gzread wrote: post #121
trinsic2 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like e2ee on phones with OSes from the big two is a lost cause. I'll bet this is the year where open hardware/bios starts getting more popular, hopefully. So we can have open hardware/software.

Is Google snooping your SimpleX chats?

We don't know. They seem to have this capability though.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by mvrckhckr »

arlort wrote: post #133
mvrckhckr wrote: post #118

The only reason I can think of for this change is governmental pressure. I don’t see how it benefits the platform itself (nor its users).

I can think of a few reasons why a company built on profiling (and advertising to) user interests might be interested in the private conversations of their users

In that case, why introduce the feature in the first place?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by mvrckhckr »

paxys wrote: post #171
mvrckhckr wrote: post #118

The only reason I can think of for this change is governmental pressure. I don’t see how it benefits the platform itself (nor its users).

There is a product reason - AI features are fundamentally incompatible with E2EE. If they want to bring more AI generated experiences and content into Instagram then the data needs to be accessible by them.

That's an interesting angle. I'm not sure I see the direct connection, but it can be a user choice.

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Post by Sayrus »

nunobrito wrote: post #136
Sayrus wrote: post #23

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I keep hearing this one. But at least for EU, the eCall system requires external communication to be disabled until activated during serious accident. It cannot be used for tracking the vehicle in real-time. Some parts of the legislation ( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32... ): > 2. The personal data processed pursuant to this Regulation shall only be used for the purpose of handling the e…

Kindly read point number 2 slowly. There are two definitions: a) Personal Data and b) Emergency Situations What is an emergency situation and how can a car determine it is one? These are "smart" cars which aren't nowadays smart enough to process all your data locally, so that data is sent to servers elsewhere which process if either points a) or b) apply. It is your choice to believe that voice data is ever deleted o…

Emergency situations are defined by two situations: severe accidents and manual press of the button. Article 6 covers the data being sent, Article 5 covers the manufacturer's obligations. Your audio during the accident and your last three locations may leak, but the eCall system is not designed for a permanent phone-home system. If I remember correctly, you can't even use the eCall SIM for tracking as that'd encourage people to disable safety features.

All the things you are talking about, permanent phone-home, tracking of location, audio and video, driving habits, are tracked, sent and resold. That's what smart cars do. But it is not done through the eCall system. See it from the company perspective: why would they risk penalties for non-compliance when they can gather and resell all personal data with no risks using their own system instead of a safety one?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by grvdrm »

gzread wrote: post #58
garbawarb wrote: post #25

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I doubt it, E2E isba huge part of Whatsapp's selling point considering it's exclusively a messaging app. Instagram is primarily a social app with messaging features.

Normal people don't choose a messaging app based on E2EE but based on whether their friends use it.

"Your security code with X changed"

"What's a security code?"

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