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Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by _zagj »

tptacek wrote: post #66
rauljordan2020 wrote: post #42

So many folks that have it say things like "I was super healthy! Did exercise, young, don't drink, etc." Then you dig deeper and realize the last vegetable meal they ate was a soggy brussel sprout their mom made them when they were 17 years old, and also eat cold cut turkey sandwiches every lunch because they're "healthy", and maybe have a tiny shred of lettuce in the sandwich. For breakfast, they eat pancakes or sug…

You can quickly find historical availability & consumption data and I don't think it supports any trivially obvious hypotheses like these. You'll find headlines saying things like that we're at a low point in vegetable consumption going back to 1988, but I'm reading an NIH paper charting '70-'2010 and the patterns look stable, except for increases in total calories, in dairy, and in added dairy fats and oils. Whateve…

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Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by staticassertion »

kvgr wrote: post #195
staticassertion wrote: post #145

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> My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. Well, you said "can't" and I asked "why", which feels very reasonable to me. Your argument seems to be that it wouldn't account properly for the data - specifically, you're saying we would have seen colon cancer rates rise earlier. > Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already. I don't really buy this for a lot of…

Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. I get it that in our modern diet, fiber is better than sugar and plastic stuff made in factories combining oils and sugar into something that looks like food. But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?

> Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers.

Very high.

> But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?

There is a ton of research about this and it's why WHO and other orgs state explicitly that fiber reduces rates of colon cancer.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by SapporoChris »

zthrowaway wrote: post #196
SapporoChris wrote: post #86

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CDC estimates about 60 million are effected by parasites in USA. which is about 17 or 18%. Gut cleanse, colon cleanse, detoxing. None of this is supported by science. Nor would any of these things cure, prevent or in anyway help a parasitic infection. Here are some common parasitic infections and how they're treated. None of these treatments recommend gut cleanse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giardia#Infection https…

I was thinking of the 60% global statistic. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbio... I had gut dysbiosis for the past couple of years. Went to an alternative/func doctor and she helped me do a program such as this, in a safe manner: https://www.gutprotocols.com/products/full-moon-kit-parasite... While yes this isn’t scientifically backed, because there’s just no clinical trials yet, doesn’t mea…

"It is estimated that the global prevalence of some of these diseases already exceeds 60% among the more than three billion people living in parasite endemic areas." https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbio...

This is an interesting statistic, but it is not a global statistic.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by array_key_first »

kvgr wrote: post #194
damnesian wrote: post #11

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lack of fiber is a biggie too. Foods too highly processed. too many oils.

I don’t know. Something about eating a lot of fiber. I cant do it for example. I eat some veggies, but probably not “enough” fiber compared to modern recommendations and i cant process it. I am doing OK without it from subjective perspective. Also i am interested how much nonsoluble fiber did regular people eat before modern vegetable and fruits. Potatoes and cabbage, wheat and some roots and max some berries max. Li…

For most of humanity, humans are mostly plants and seeds. Meat was rare, because hunting is hard, and domesticated crops like grain are a new invention. Like, very new - 10,000 years.

All those were very high in fiber. I believe it's estimated paleolithic humans are over 100 grams of fiber a day, whereas I believe the recommended intake today is 35 grams, which less than 2% of Americans meet.

So yes, the Paleo diet is largely bullshit. No, humans did not eat fatty farmed meats. They barely ate meat at all.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by array_key_first »

cm2012 wrote: post #103
rauljordan2020 wrote: post #42

So many folks that have it say things like "I was super healthy! Did exercise, young, don't drink, etc." Then you dig deeper and realize the last vegetable meal they ate was a soggy brussel sprout their mom made them when they were 17 years old, and also eat cold cut turkey sandwiches every lunch because they're "healthy", and maybe have a tiny shred of lettuce in the sandwich. For breakfast, they eat pancakes or sug…

The correlation to any of that stuff and cancer is basically meaningless in the scale of one persons life

It's not at all. Red meat is carcinogenic, processed red meats more so. Processed meats are, too.

If you want to reduce your risk of cancer, your best bets are quitting smoking, stopping drinking, eating less meat, and exercising more.

Drinking, like, diet cola is nothing next to those. We know, without a doubt, tobacco, alcohol, and processed meats cause cancer.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by array_key_first »

throwawaytea wrote: post #65
rauljordan2020 wrote: post #42

So many folks that have it say things like "I was super healthy! Did exercise, young, don't drink, etc." Then you dig deeper and realize the last vegetable meal they ate was a soggy brussel sprout their mom made them when they were 17 years old, and also eat cold cut turkey sandwiches every lunch because they're "healthy", and maybe have a tiny shred of lettuce in the sandwich. For breakfast, they eat pancakes or sug…

"Guys, it's not the chemicals present in every packaged food you ever set your eyes on, or the pesticides every vegetable is grown in, it's just that you don't eat vegetables."

Correct, red meat and processed meats are known carcinogens, whereas high fiber foods like fruits and vegetables are known to reduce your risk of colon cancer.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by tptacek »

_zagj wrote: post #201
tptacek wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can quickly find historical availability & consumption data and I don't think it supports any trivially obvious hypotheses like these. You'll find headlines saying things like that we're at a low point in vegetable consumption going back to 1988, but I'm reading an NIH paper charting '70-'2010 and the patterns look stable, except for increases in total calories, in dairy, and in added dairy fats and oils. Whateve…

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Three things I love about this:

(1) Somebody vouched it.

(2) I had a glass of bourbon in my hand when I read it the first time.

(3) It's written as if maybe I'd continue to debate the data after the first paragraph.

Well played!

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by throwaway27448 »

triceratops wrote: post #168
throwaway27448 wrote: post #132

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Only the last hundred to twenty thousand years or so. Evolutionarily speaking, that's not our typical diet. Maybe excepting tubers.

Explain Japan.

I never said eating rice was bad for you, but fruits, nuts, meats are also human staples. The big thing domesticated cereal brought us was rapid population growth and the state.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by Jerrrrrrrry »

kvgr wrote: post #195
staticassertion wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. Well, you said "can't" and I asked "why", which feels very reasonable to me. Your argument seems to be that it wouldn't account properly for the data - specifically, you're saying we would have seen colon cancer rates rise earlier. > Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already. I don't really buy this for a lot of…

Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. I get it that in our modern diet, fiber is better than sugar and plastic stuff made in factories combining oils and sugar into something that looks like food. But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?

99% of humans ate meat, amd fruits occasionally.

Fiber does nothing.

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