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The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Re: The dead Internet is not a theory anymore

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Post by mvdtnz »

abcde666777 wrote: post #168

For a while video was a holdout of sorts - e.g. if someone posted video content of themselves or their voice you could trust a real person was behind it. But now convincing fake video generation is easily accessible, so one more holdout stands to fall. It does seem like some kind of ID system is going to be the only way. Sucky but inevitable. I often have the following thought: technological advancement, for all its…

> convincing fake video generation is easily accessible, so one more holdout stands to fall.

Is it though? I have absolutely no doubt we'll get there but I haven't seen any evidence of this in the wild. My Youtube feed is becoming overrun with content with clearly generated scripts and often generated narration. But I haven't seen a single instance (that I'm aware of) of generated video being passed off as real.

Yes I have seen hundreds of tweets and reddit posts showcasing game-changing video technologies like AI face replacement and yes they look incredible in the 45 second demo reels, but every instance I have seen of real-world usage was comically bad.

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Post by D13Fd »

pixl97 wrote: post #142
girvo wrote: post #83

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> I guess they don’t care about anything enduring as long as they can grab some quick cash on the way out. As far as I can tell, that is basically all AI-related businesses. Including those non-AI ones jumping on the bandwagon to throw all their employees in the bin and expect 10x productivity somehow: if they are right and these tools do become that good, well the economy as we know it is over as white collar knowle…

At least in the US very few industries actually seem to be about making a product. A good example is this, car companies don't make cars for the most part, they make loans. Financial companies first, car companies second. Consolidation, collusion, and rent-seeking behaviors by companies are going out of control too. The fact AI companies can do what they are doing has much to do with the previous brick and mortar bus…

> A good example is this, car companies don't make cars for the most part, they make loans. Financial companies first, car companies second.

I get that this is true from a certain point of view. But car companies clearly compete in a very healthy way on features and quality.

In fact, cars are a great example of a market where the companies clearly care about making the product, and the competition between them has driven that products to incredible heights. Cars these days are vastly better than they were in the past.

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Post by AngryData »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #172
amiantos wrote: post #51

Why is it being called dead internet theory when, as far as I can tell, what's really happening is that big centralized systems are being overrun with bots? The internet existed and was pretty great before these large centralized systems came into being. Anyone can still run a blog/website, and/or their own discourse server. There's no need to mourn for these centralized systems that largely existed only to exploit u…

And who is going to know your blog exists? If they search on Google they are going to get an answer from AI and stop

In my experience AI doesn't give the answer you want because it gives the most shallow and basic, many times so basic as to be worthless, response. Then I either scroll through 20 results hoping I see one that isn't an AI writeup of the exact same incomplete source, or I give up and search out a specific site I know exists that isn't AI written for that information.

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Post by jareklupinski »

amiantos wrote: post #81
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #58

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> Why is it being called dead internet theory “A social networking system simulates a user using a language model trained using training data generated from user interactions performed by that user. The language model may be used for simulating the user when the user is absent from the social networking system, for example, when the user takes a long break or if the user is deceased” [1]. (More seriously: https://en.…

So why isn't it called "dead social media theory"? The internet is not only social media services, though I understand a lot of people seem to think that without centralized social media services there is no reason to use the internet.

commercial internet services would prefer that you forget the internet without them can in fact exist

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Post by protocolture »

I reckon we are going find an inverse metcalfes at some stage where the value of a network is proportional to the square of its connected users, minus the square of the number of connected bots. Heck I would be surprised if meta hadnt figured this out, or wasnt on the way to figuring it out.

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Post by AngryData »

ryandrake wrote: post #74
bonesss wrote: post #18

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A $10 one time not-an-asshole fee is totally reasonable. History also shows you can take a $10 fee and maintain quality on SomethingAwful for quite some time.

I would probably not pay $10 to post on HN, but many spammers who expect some kind of tangible return would pay that, so the fee just makes the problem worse.

Yeah, I love HN, but I wouldn't pay and I know many if not the majority of other people wouldn't. It would increase quality for awhile for sure, but what happens a year or two down the road? It would kill the user count and reduce comments and become less valuable over time.

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Post by jnettome »

munk-a wrote: post #103
ryandrake wrote: post #74

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I would probably not pay $10 to post on HN, but many spammers who expect some kind of tangible return would pay that, so the fee just makes the problem worse.

The spammers wouldn't pay it once though - the idea is that it's a good way to scale moderation. Each time an admin needs to ban a user there is a 10$ subsidy supporting that action - and if the bots come back then they get to pay 10$ to be banned again. Assuming the money isn't wasted and is actually used to fund moderation 10$ is probably comfortably above the cost to detect and ban most malicious users.

That’s basically what Valve does on cheaters with premier accounts on cs:go/cs2. And the revenue still growing up.

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Post by amiantos »

pixl97 wrote: post #199
amiantos wrote: post #112

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I spend all day every day on the Internet and I don't share your perspective. I might dislike centralized social media and yearn for a bygone era, but just in the past two days I had a very positive interaction with multiple real humans in the Commodore 64 subreddit that helped solve a problem I was having that isn't documented anywhere else on the internet yet. So then I went on my personal blog and blogged about it…

"You can do everything right and still lose". At the end of the day there is no real penalty for being a bad actor on the internet. They get unlimited retries on spamming and otherwise causing problems. In many ways this helps Google entrench itself as the search/ad company. No one else has the money or compute resources to continuously update the internet. Furthermore they have told us it's their job to shove unskip…

Every single one of your comments in this thread is some slippery slope stuff where you think corporations and federal government are going to work together to kill off the (public?) internet. It's okay that you feel that way, even if it's just a big ol' fallacy, but you don't need to repeat it in six different places. You made your point, you think the internet is doomed no matter what happens, great, let's move on.

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Post by sebringj »

Isn't this more about identity crisis? Not in the psychological sense but in the internet sense? Who is real who isn't? Crypto proof of work idk? Your profile like d LinkedIn or Hacker News or something gives your clawbot x credits worth of legit automated queries or rate limits on your behalf? It could be flipped upside down where we don't spend our eyes off on reading websites anymore, it just goes and gets it for us but I may be hallucinating.
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