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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take into account publicly available information (news articles), factor in personal anecdotes, and reason about human nature and incentives. I know the extent of reported abuses, and I do my best to extrapolate. It's not perfect, but such is life. To be clear, even if we all agreed on the data, I still would not expect everyone to take the same position. There are subjective differences in values.

I get that but at the very least one should demand evidence to their efficacy

Flock has put out a report claiming 10% crime in the US is solved using their technology. There are of course counter argument, that claim this is not valid.

https://www.flocksafety.com/customers/how-many-crimes-do-aut...

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#202

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Small counties generate huge revenues with traffic cameras. I think reducing crime and road safety is an excuse. There are true innovators in the traffic camera space but i think counties often choose vendors who give them best ROI.

Can you elaborate on true innovators? No shade, but I have a hard time conceptualizing what innovation would look like in this space.

Traffic camera along various sensors for emission control, sound and noise control, gunshot detection etc. to name a few.

Seat belt detection, phone detection, lane violations etc. at the application layer.

I can talk about Sensysgatso, where I used to work. They have quite some tech-forward platform.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#203
post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the entire argument for these based on the fact that people don't have an expectation of privacy in a public place? Not that I'm sure they won't try to make an excuse as to why it's different, but as far as I'm aware, you're allowed to just film in public.

This is not an issue of being filmed in public, this is an issue of not having the choice to opt in or out of the aggregated data harvesting performed by unregulated AI models owned by unregulated for-profit corporations that have no legislative oversight or safeguards. If a human followed me around in public recording me, went through every frame and highlighted my face, my car, my license plate, dents and scratches…

The bills going through Washington's legislature (where the original parent was talking about re: release via public information laws) do try and address this such that the systems aren't massive dragnets of everybody, always but far more targeted, I think.

See, for example, https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2025-26/Pdf/Bills/Ho... which would carve out:

An agency may access, operate, or use an automated license plate reader system and its associated data only for the following authorized purposes: (a) Any law enforcement agency may use an automated license plate reader system for the purpose of comparing captured automated license plate reader data with: (i) Data on any of the following watch lists maintained by either a federal or Washington state agency: The department of licensing, the state criminal justice information system, the federal bureau of investigation kidnappings and missing persons list, and the Washington missing persons list; or (ii) License plate numbers that have been manually entered into a state or local automated license plate reader system database, upon an officer's determination that the license plate numbers are relevant and material to an investigation of a vehicle that is: (A) Stolen; (B) Associated with a missing or endangered person; (C) Registered to an individual for whom there is an outstanding felony warrant; or (D) Related to or involved in a felony. 33 (b) Any parking enforcement agency may use an automated license plate reader system for the following purposes: (i) Enforcing time restrictions on the use of parking spaces; or (ii) Identifying vehicles on a watch list for impoundment or immobilization under a local ordinance enacted under RCW 46.55.240, provided the list includes only license plates of vehicles subject to that ordinance. (c) An automated license plate reader system may be used as a component of photo toll systems authorized by RCW 47.56.795 or 47.46.105 (d) Any transportation agency may use an automated license plate reader system for the following purposes: (i) Providing real-time traffic information to the public, traffic modeling, and traffic studies such as determining construction delays and route use; and (ii) Enforcing commercial vehicle systems at Washington state patrol enforcement sites and weigh stations.

That said, the only thing that really stops them from being massive dragnets of everybody always would essentially be how they're configured, which obviously can change. I think we've seen enough misuse of systems and tools throughout history that it's worthwhile to be mindful of creating easily misused systems and tools.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#204
post #178

I personally know 3 victims of brutally violent crime. Flock would have detected, but maybe not prevented, two of these cases, where violence occurred in broad, open daylight near main roads and highways. Crimes occurred in left-leaning, anti-police small midwest city. All of the victims were women. I would encourage anti-Flockers and anti-authority individuals out here to question their motives and make sure that th…

My vehicle was stolen in an area with Flock cams. It did not help at all.

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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#206

I personally know 3 victims of brutally violent crime. Flock would have detected, but maybe not prevented, two of these cases, where violence occurred in broad, open daylight near main roads and highways. Crimes occurred in left-leaning, anti-police small midwest city. All of the victims were women. I would encourage anti-Flockers and anti-authority individuals out here to question their motives and make sure that th…

This sounds like the usual talking points.

> left-leaning, anti-police

As if there is any correlation, or crimes don't occur in right-leaning locales.

> hypothetical/theoretical harm

Freedom is very real, and includes security from the state. The latter risks are hardly theoretical in history and very present today.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#208
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technology is a means to an end, not the end itself. If you can’t make it safe then don’t deploy it.

There must be some level of acceptable failure.

Flock, like Palantir, is the Torment Nexus from the famous novel Don’t Create The Torment Nexus.

Considering the potential and demonstrated abuse there must be more robust guardrails than currently exist. The required level of safety is more like “nuclear launch codes” or “commercial airliner”, not “local used car lot landing page”.

This juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#209

If you spot missing camera's - Flock or not - you can add them to OSM easily with https://mapcomplete.org/surveillance

There's also a application called deflock that lets you map them easy

Yes, that's the submission we're commenting on ;)

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#210
This is probably not a helpful comment because it's basically a daydreamers fantasy, but here goes...

Doesn't all the surveillance concern go away if we just remove license plates from cars? Our plates identify us nearly perfectly.

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