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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by jdcaron »

em-bee wrote: post #178
theK wrote: post #174

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My account has more comments than that and I share OC's opinion and experience. I've been daily driving /e/ since its FP3 era and lately the experience has been really well polished. Even things that had been "tricky" in the past, like Android auto integration, now work seamlessly.

same here, except for banking apps. the one i am supposed to use now doesn't work.

As long as banking works with web browsers, I think the future looks good for this usage, but I could de-bank my phone and still have plenty of useful things to do with it.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by fsflover »

abustamam wrote: post #170
seba_dos1 wrote: post #133

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Well, it idles for about 22 hours, can record videos, does multi-constellation GNSS and both classic and LE Bluetooth. The way to make disinterested normies able to use it is to have lots of nerds capable of fixing various papercuts themselves switch already and contribute rather than complain.

Thanks for sharing! I hadn't heard of this before. IMO any competition in this space is good competition. But the reality is that it's not quite that straightforward. Linux desktop is a perfect example of that. We have tons of nerds working on the Linux ecosystem. Many on distros meant to ease transition from Mac/Windows to Linux (like Pop OS). But if I were to tell my mom to install Pop OS, she would look at me like…

> But if I were to tell my mom to install Pop OS, she would look at me like I'm crazy.

What would she say if you asked her to install Windows? It doesn't matter. Normal people should either buy preinstalled or ask technical people for help. Using GNU/Linux desktop is as simple as Windows. It will be the same with phones one day, if we push it.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by fsflover »

goldenarm wrote: post #134
fsflover wrote: post #97

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(GNU/)Linux on mobile is the true sustanable, independent OS. It relies on the existing, strong Linux development, natively runs existing Linux apps and guarantees you lifetime updates. What else do you need? Sent from my Librem 5.

I'm considering to switch to your device and start contributing to gnome mobile soon! I'm interested in your experience, what do you like and dislike the most on it?

I wrote a bit here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45276516 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39461180

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by fsflover »

jaggs wrote: post #118
fsflover wrote: post #97

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(GNU/)Linux on mobile is the true sustanable, independent OS. It relies on the existing, strong Linux development, natively runs existing Linux apps and guarantees you lifetime updates. What else do you need? Sent from my Librem 5.

If mobile Linux runs through the same kind of tortuous adoption and rejection cycle that desktop Linux is still doing, then it's a non starter before it begins.

> that desktop Linux is still doing

What are you even talking about? My non-technical relatives have been using Debian for many years already.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by mghackerlady »

hactually wrote: post #89
goldenarm wrote: post #57

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I do agree, mobile OSS OSes are rough. My point is that we should help them instead of helping Google's toxic relationship. It happened with Chrome/Blink, and everyone already forgot that lesson. About hard-forking Android, no one was brave enough (pun intended) to do that for Chrome, considering the insane complexity and engineering costs (>$1B/y). (Only Apple was able to affort it with Webkit/Safari, but they are i…

chrome was the fork. KHTML from Konqueror became webkit became Safari and chrome.

I still use Konqueror occasionally. It no longer uses KHTML (it uses blink now iirc through Qt webengine (which just got webextension support, someone's working on adding them to falkon so I'm sure Konqueror isn't too far behind)) but it works surprisingly well. It's still a great file manager if any of you remember how good it was

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by mghackerlady »

mapcars wrote: post #116
well_ackshually wrote: post #53

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>Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. There are zero OSes that are 1/ open source 2/ appropriate for phones 3/ with good hardware support. There's absolutely nothing. Running Ubuntu Touch isn't a viable option. Neither is postmarket, librem, tizen, they're all terrible. Security wise, for something as critically important in our lives as a smartphone, I am also not trusting any new pet projec…

> There are zero OSes that are 1/ open source 2/ appropriate for phones 3/ with good hardware support. There's absolutely nothing Sailfish?

Not entirely FOSS, unfortunately :( (though, it would be cool to see someone take their kernel and implement Plasma Mobile on it)

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by mghackerlady »

idiotsecant wrote: post #165
safety1st wrote: post #142

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I appreciate that there are people out there working on stuff like /e/OS, but the number one question I have when I learn about a mobile OS that isn't iOS or "Googled" Android is: will the banking and payment apps I need to operate in the modern world run on this OS? A lot of people don't think this way because they haven't had any problems. But then one day it happens to you and you realize, ok, this is the one thin…

I promise your electric company accepts payments outside of an app on your phone. I further promise that other banks are available that don't have terrible apps. These problems are way more surmountable than you're painting them here.

Plus, you can still do electronic banking and payments. Use your computer, it's a much better experience anyways

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Post by malka1986 »

fsflover wrote: post #198
malka1986 wrote: post #192

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I need my bank app to run on it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216763

I have exactly 0 choice of banks app that would run on a mobile OS that is neither android or google.

At the end of the day, I need a bank account, and access to it, would it only be for buying food, or paying my mortgage.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by mghackerlady »

fsflover wrote: post #97
goldenarm wrote: post #47

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There are more OSS devs active on Android ROMs than OSS devs working on independent mobile OSes. We are running out of time, and we are misallocating ressources. It's like bailing out water from the Titanic. We should prepare the lifeboats instead.

(GNU/)Linux on mobile is the true sustanable, independent OS. It relies on the existing, strong Linux development, natively runs existing Linux apps and guarantees you lifetime updates. What else do you need? Sent from my Librem 5.

>fsflover

Username checks out (I kid, I'm also a fan of their work).

Also, if you're using PureOS, what's that like? Have they updated to a debian 13 base yet? Pretty much the only thing stopping me from at least trying it out is the super old version of GNOME

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