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Post by fatata123 »

bdbdbdb wrote: post #176
noduerme wrote: post #21

The hell with with whatever speed boost I might get. I still write all my code by hand every day, and own what it does. I know it. And I don't have to worry about atrophy. Could've outsourced a long time ago to humans, if I wanted to deal with reading code most of the time instead of writing it.

Am I alone in thinking atrophy might not happen? I use a keyboard all day but it doesn't mean I can't write by hand anymore. Predictive text didn't make me forget how to spell. If i buy coffee it doesn't mean I forget how to make it

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Post by joseda-hg »

throwdbaaway wrote: post #181
zzzeek wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I continue to do all of those things but have Claude do the typing for me, if that makes any sense. I'm directing it on almost a line by line basis, I just am not that interested in doing syntax pushups anymore.

Can you describe a bit more how this works? I suppose the speed remains about the same, while the experience is more pleasant? (Big fan of SQLAlchemy)

Not the user you're responding to, but I feel like I do something similar

I describe what I want roughly on the level I could still code it by hand, to the level of telling Claude to create specific methods, functions and classes (And reminding it to use them, because models love pointless repetition)

Is it faster? Sure, being this specific has the added benefit of greatly reduced hallucinations (Still, depends on the model, Gemini is still more prone to want to do more things, even when uncalled for)

I also don't need to fine comb everything, Logic and interaction I'll check, but basic everyday stuff is usually already pretty well explained in the repo and the model usually picks up on it

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Post by pklausler »

bwestergard wrote: post #76
googamooga wrote: post #45

I started my coding apprenticeship back in early 80s with a senior programmer who taught me to code in LSI-11 processor codes. I memorized the whole table of octal processor opcodes and learned how to compose them with data to write programs on PDP-11. I was able to understand what each exact 16-bit word in my program is doing. It was a great skill. But then the same guy taught me FORTRAN 83, and I suddenly understoo…

I think this is a false comparison, and I believe cognitive science will show this to be true over time. "Now, many years and programming languages later, with my coding skills in LSI-11 opcodes totaly athrophied, I do not regret about loosing that skill at all." But the cognitive capacities you developed reasoning about opcodes almost certainly made it easier for you to learn FORTRAN and its successors. LSI-11 opcod…

What's FORTRAN 83?

Re: What AI coding costs you

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adampunk wrote: post #84
noduerme wrote: post #21

The hell with with whatever speed boost I might get. I still write all my code by hand every day, and own what it does. I know it. And I don't have to worry about atrophy. Could've outsourced a long time ago to humans, if I wanted to deal with reading code most of the time instead of writing it.

Real quick, how does paging work?

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Post by ryanmcl »

dawnerd wrote: post #8
ryanmcl wrote: post #5

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The biggest problem is it’ll teach you bad habits. For example, Claude and gpt love to use fallbacks. They generate code that’ll get a positive result at any cost, even if it’s horrible in efficient. If you don’t have past knowledge you might just think that’s how it is. Now before someone says that junior devs make the same mistakes, yes, to some extent.

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Re: What AI coding costs you

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Post by bdbdbdb »

whaleidk wrote: post #194
bdbdbdb wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I alone in thinking atrophy might not happen? I use a keyboard all day but it doesn't mean I can't write by hand anymore. Predictive text didn't make me forget how to spell. If i buy coffee it doesn't mean I forget how to make it

Counterpoint: my handwriting is way harder to read and my hand tired faster than when I was in high school. And I am worse at spelling and my vocabulary has stopped expanding much since I started typing more and reading less

My hand probably tires faster but my vocab is definitely better than when I started using keyboards. Maybe I'm the odd one out
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