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Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by relaxing »

gowld wrote: post #101
rglover wrote: post #41

> When you spend two years making useless Arduino projects, you develop instincts about electronics, materials, and design that you can’t get from a tutorial. When vibe coding goes straight to production, you lose that developmental space. The tool is powerful enough to produce real output before the person using it has developed real judgment. The crux of the problem. The only way to truly know is to get your hands…

Couldn't one rebut that Arduino is plug-and-play without getting your hands dirty in lower-level electronics?

Not, because it isn’t. A plug and play arduino is useless without some level of circuit building expertise.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by 9rx »

fhub wrote: post #6

The “maker movement” isn’t dead and it wasn’t born recently either. People have been DIYing for all sorts of reasons for very long time.

Making isn't dead, but the movement is. There is no longer a large gap of people who are gaining interested in it but who haven't yet figured out how to get started. Now, everyone who wants to make it is already doing it.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by johnisgood »

the_af wrote: post #73
tootubular wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But crucially they used "--" and not "—" which means they're safe. Unless it's learning. I may still be peeved that my beloved em dash has been tainted. :(

Of course they'll learn. LLM bots have been spotted on HN using that hipster all lower case style of writing. i can write like this if i want. or if i were a clever ai bot.

No need to be clever, just add the instruction to write in that way.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by eleventyseven »

pm90 wrote: post #196
jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

Correct. Almost nobody talked about “getting manufacturing back to the US”. Almost always it was just people glad they could build things. Its also interesting how the author frames the results: Shenzhen is now better than it was ever before at manufacturing. The maker culture succeeded!

> Almost nobody talked about “getting manufacturing back to the US”.

I guess the President of the United States is an almost nobody. Obama's 2013 State of the Union hyped up 3-D printing explicitly as a tech that would be bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. The U.S. government made public-private partnerships with maker spaces and fab facilities in hollowed out Rust Belt cities, and Obama mentioned it by name in the most important and viewed policy speech the President gives each year.

> “A once-shuttered warehouse is now a state-of-the art lab where new workers are mastering the 3-D printing that has the potential to revolutionize the way we make almost everything,” Obama said. [...] Obama announced plans for three more manufacturing hubs where businesses will partner with the departments of Defense and Energy “to turn regions left behind by globalization into global centers of high-tech jobs.” (https://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/tech/innovation/obama-3d-...)

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by johnisgood »

groestl wrote: post #80
names_are_hard wrote: post #59

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I found the key insight -- when a human tries to sound like an LLM, that's perceived by other humans as humor.

Not sarcasm. Not cynism. Just pure humor.

Oh my God, this is peak GPT.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by pfdietz »

Izkata wrote: post #77
Conscat wrote: post #68

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I was a kid at the time, but adults, magazines, and other children convinced me that 3D printing at home would likely replace a huge number of products. This included extremely optimistic speculation, like printers producing smart phones or houses. Then I dated a boy who used his 3D printer to substitute The Container Store at a higher cost with greater effort and lower quality, and that soured me on the concept.

> or houses They're not common by any means, but they do exist. Walls look pretty ugly though.

And there are reports they aren't lasting very long before cracking.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by bigfishrunning »

rglover wrote: post #110
gowld wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't one rebut that Arduino is plug-and-play without getting your hands dirty in lower-level electronics?

The article addresses this by making the point that prototypes != production. Arduino is great for prototyping (authors opinion; I have limited experience) but not for production-level manufacturing. LLMs are effectively (from this article's pov) the "Arduino of coding" but due to their nature, are being misunderstood/misrepresented as production-grade code printers when really they're just glorified MVP factories. T…

I think even calling them MVP factories is a bit much. They're demo factories. Minimum Viable Products shouldn't have glaring security vulnerabilities and blatant inefficiency, they just might me missing nice-to-have features.

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Post by smaudet »

pradn wrote: post #162
jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

One of the odd things people do with tech is taking someone else's random projections at face value? What does it mean to say "we were promised flying cars", or "every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production"? The people creating these narratives may a) truly believe it and tried to make it a reality, but failed b) never believed it at all, but failed anyway, c) or be somewhere…

Well, there's also the almost never mentioned Rock's Law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_second_law

We do have flying cars, and we do have printers that print other printers, but both were some combination of really expensive/poor quality. Technically speaking, if you take it that most cities have 3D printers, most cities then do have micro factories, however that says nothing about general feasability...

Technology requires infrastructure and resources, and our infrastructure is strained and our resources are even more so... Until the costs become pocket change for the average person, technology will just remain generally unavailable.

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Post by arcanemachiner »

bonesss wrote: post #143
ramathornn wrote: post #82

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> BTW, I think a lot of people were/are greatly overestimating the value of coding to business success. Fully agree - We already saw dev prices drop significantly when offshore dev shops spun up. I've had great, and also horrible experiences working with devs that could produce lines of code at a fraction of the price of any senior type dev. The higher paid engineers i've worked with are always worth their salary/hou…

One thought experiment I keep having when I see LLM hype: imagine if our outsourcing companies could be as blasé about copyright as OpenAI, and how profitable they could be. I mean, rename some dudes over there to ‘transformer’, and let them copy & paste from GitHub with abandon… I know we could get a whole browser for less than a few grand. We wouldn’t, because it’d be copyright-insane. But if we just got it indirec…

PHB = pointy-haired boss?

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by bigfishrunning »

epiccoleman wrote: post #98
GrinningFool wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's often genuine excitement to share a thing - without quite processing that anybody with the same idea can now build it (for simple- to mid-complexity projects).

KG: Anybody coulda wrote it, anybody coulda done that, one song, just one note JB: Yeah but guess who did write it, me ! KG: Yeah but did you write this? JB: Dude, I did, I told you to do the bendy every once in a while! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLvOLjHt4S0

I win. 1 to nothing!
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