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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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The only meaningful action would be to stop well fare for immigrants. You don't work, you don't have money. Madness is for UK government to tax UK citizens to pay for housing and food of immigrants. Incentives drive behavior. If you're African and see you can live for free in England, of course you'll try to get that deal. And in age of social media, they know. Denmark did that and saw dramatic drop in number of peop…

You proclaim these sentiments to be in the majority, but they are not. The people who proclaim them are just loud. A common strategy of the far right.

> According to the most recent polling (Ipsos, 6–10 February 2026), two-thirds (67%) of Britons believe the total number of people coming into the UK is too high

Do you have different data or different definition of majority?

I was taught that 67% is majority + 16% but maybe leftist math is different.

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> And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do Eh, this is far from a given. Mao's Red Guards were passionate idiots. And America's young men are in thrall of Clavicular. The most powerful empires in history have had large rebublics at their cores for good reason. The wisdom of a crowd greatly increases with its diversity.

> this is far from a given. It's a given in Britain; ie, where we're talking about. > Mao's Red Guards were passionate idiots. Ok. And? > America's young men are in thrall of Clavicular. Clavicular? What? Were you trying to type Caligula - in which case, again, what ? American youth are far better voters than the elder generations - at least in terms of being against things like genocide, or in favor of things like u…

Clavicular is an influencer in a particularly cringy subculture called look maxing.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

> I'm incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. I think this was indicative of much of the thinking on both sides of the debate though; focusing tightly on a single, subjective aspect for or against. "Why the EU is important / abhorrent to me right now?" rather than something like "What is the anticipated future nature of the EU and what does that mean for the UK?"

I agree with you but the other side's arguments were pretty weak.

The Leave side was for immigration control (which has not materially changed, we still have an influx of small boats, but have made it harder for educated, hard working people to get in), and mythical funding for the NHS to the tune of £350m a week which never happened.

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Because Poles and Romanians are "other" enough to be hated... Ironically Britain had then to "import" people from Asia, Africa to e.g. work in the hospitals. The foreigner-hate is so short-sighted. Your underpaid hospital worker, house cleaner, fruit picker, taxi driver, UberEats delivery is usually foreign, they don't mind working the exploitative conditions because for them the money is much better than home, provi…

First, they didn't have to. Crazy idea: educate more people, lower barriers to entry, hire people from poorer western countries and not Africa. Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same? Second, if immigration was only for skilled workers to plug shortages of certain skills, it would not be a problem. It's a problem because in 2025 estimated 41 thousand unskilled people,…

Seems like Brexit didn't help

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Yep, there's a lot of (continuing) economical damage and still a lot of new immigrants every week. I think some time still needs to pass before Brexit politicians dare to change their stance, now confronted with the results of their choice. In the mean time, Brexit rules are quietly being undone without losing face too much. See the EU-UK trade deals from May 2025.

What's the "pull" that keeps people migrating to the UK despite the economic gloom?

While Brits may be gloomy the wages are higher here than many places like India, the Philippines or Somalia so we have people wanting to come in.

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UK did not need the EU for trade agreements. Those can be set up separately. There were a number of examples where the UK kept losing control, and instead having the EU try to determine the direction. This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom. Sadly though it doesn't seem like the UK politicians are taking advantage of this (regulatory, laws, borders, immigrations etc) just yet, but at least now it's possible. My p…

The UK never can be a superpower again, not in an age of USA and an emerging China and India.

Never is a long time but doesn't look like it's happening in a hurry at any rate. The UKs rise was based on leading the industrial revolution but it's a bit lagging in the AI one. The few leading companies we produce like Deepmind and ARM get bought by the Americans.

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The UK never can be a superpower again, not in an age of USA and an emerging China and India.

Never is a long time but doesn't look like it's happening in a hurry at any rate. The UKs rise was based on leading the industrial revolution but it's a bit lagging in the AI one. The few leading companies we produce like Deepmind and ARM get bought by the Americans.

The UK has less chance at becoming a superpower than Canada or Australia, neither of which are in the race. If the EU becomes more cohesive, it might, and then the UK will be the smaller country allying itself with a superpower for protection.

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What did I say that made you think it is?

"how far a country can fall"?

I guess it could mean that… but in this context it means decline, same as “Fall of the Roman Empire”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empi...
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