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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by ModernMech »

queenkjuul wrote: post #192
dgxyz wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On localised context stuff, yeah no. I spent a couple of hours rewriting something Claude did terribly a couple of weeks back. Sure it solved the problem, a relatively simple regression analysis, but it was so slow that it crapped out under load. Cue emergency rewrite by hand. 20s latency down to 18ms. Yeah it was that bad.

For me it's just wildly unpredictable. Sometimes it gets a small task perfectly right in one shot, sometimes it invents an absurd new way to be completely wrong. Anyone trusting it to just "do its own thing" is out if their mind

For me I would ask it to do a simple thing and it would give me the tutorial code you could find anywhere on the Internet. Then you ask it to modify it in a way that you can't find in any example online, it will tell you it's fixed everything, but actually nothing has changed at all or it's completely broken.

I think if someone's goal was just the tutorial code, it would have been very impressive to them the AI can summon it.

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Post by biophysboy »

bpodgursky wrote: post #187
biophysboy wrote: post #165

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The reason you think its honest is because you already believed it.

What does he gain by saying "Yes I'd love to shut all of this down"?

Its rhetoric - he gains your support. He doesn't want to shut it down.

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Post by ModernMech »

dgxyz wrote: post #140
DrewADesign wrote: post #128

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Rather than making a good product that’s useful to the world, the goal of current startups seems to be milking VCs who are desperately searching for the new version of the mobile phone revolution that will make this all ok… so it seems like they’re accomplishing their goal? I reckon the reason the VC rhetoric has reached running-hair-dye-Giuliani-speech level absurdity isn’t because they’re trying to convince other p…

I think no one cares about the truth or building something good any more. It's a meme economy. Tell a story and the numbers go up. Until they don't. Yes my pension is probably going down the same sinkhole with your IRA. Good luck. We need it.

It's worse than a meme economy, it's a gambling economy. The entire VC business model is gambling (fund 10 hope 1 pays for the losers). Crypto is all gambling. The stock market is gambling. TV ads are all gambling ads. Even dating is gambling.

Now programming and art are both gambling.

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Post by ffsm8 »

Frost1x wrote: post #101
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

Tech has slowly been moving that way anyways. In terms of ROI, you’re often much better off targeting whales and large clients than trying to become the ubiquitous market service for consumers. Competition is fierce and people are poor comparatively, so you need the volume for success. Meanwhile if you go fishing for niche whales, there’s less competition and much higher ROI for them buying. That’s why a lot of tech…

The reason why whaling and government contracts are increasingly the best options available is because the wealth from the working class has mostly been extracted... And with less and less disposable wealth available to the populous, targeting them for products gets increasingly competitive as anything non essential gets ignored

It's a negative feedback loop, and the politicians would rather reduce taxes on the rich then reverse that trend

At least that's how it looks to me

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Post by coldtea »

SoftTalker wrote: post #183
beowulfey wrote: post #152

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LLMs talk like people; there is nothing wrong with this. It's perfectly fine to be nice to something even if it isn't human. It's why we don't go around kicking dogs for fun. I understand why people don't act polite to LLMs, but honestly I think not thanking them will make people act more dickish to other humans.

I like to think we can perceive a difference between a machine and a living being. I don't thank my bicycle for transporting me or thank my spell-checker for finding typos. I get that we are prone to anthropomorphize but was just something I found a bit surprising.

>I don't thank my bicycle for transporting me or thank my spell-checker for finding typos.

Neither your bicycle nor your spell-checker hold conversations and answer questions, neither of them is being used as therapist or virtual girl/boy friend, and neither's whole shtick is being trained on a ginormous human corpus to convincingly respond like a person.

I like to think we can perceive a difference between a bicycle and an something specifically developed and trained to pass for intelligence...

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Post by coldtea »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #73
dgxyz wrote: post #33

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Perhaps stop entering into saturated markets and using AI to try and shortcut your way to the moon? There's no way any LLM code generator can replace a moderately complex system at this point and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. Getting one to reason about a simple part of a business domain is still quite difficult.

> and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. The rate of progress in the last 3 years has been over my expectations. The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane. No idea how people can say "no improvement".

>The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane

I wonder is there are parallel realities. What I remember from the last year is a resounding yawn at the latest models landing, and even people being actively annoyed in e.g. ChatGPT 4.1 vs 4 for being nerfed. Same for 5, big fanfare, and not that excited reception. And same for Claude. And nothing special in the last 2 months either. Nobody considers Claude 4.6 some big improvement over 4.5.

Sorry for closing this comment early, I need to leave my car at the house and walk to the car wash.

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Post by coldtea »

qnleigh wrote: post #94
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #73

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> and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. The rate of progress in the last 3 years has been over my expectations. The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane. No idea how people can say "no improvement".

Yeah not that long ago, there was concern that we had run out of training data and progress would stall. That did not happen at all.

Sure it did.

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Post by NM-Super »

ModernMech wrote: post #197

> ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. Odd typo + em dash = "Make mistakes in your output so that people think it wasn't AI generated"

Author here! I didn’t use AI to write this. Jekyll’s markdown to HTML converter helpfully transforms a series of three normal dashes into an em dash.

I did use AI to proofread the article, and implemented its primary suggestion (turning down a dark joke at my own expense that was pretty out of place), but the first draft of this was 100% hand-written.

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Post by coldtea »

sweetheart wrote: post #92
dgxyz wrote: post #33

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Perhaps stop entering into saturated markets and using AI to try and shortcut your way to the moon? There's no way any LLM code generator can replace a moderately complex system at this point and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. Getting one to reason about a simple part of a business domain is still quite difficult.

The recent developments of only the last 3 months have been staggering. I think you should challenge your beliefs on this a little bit. I don't say that as an AI fanboy (if those exist), it's just really, really noticeable how much progress has been made in doing more complex SWE work, especially if you just ask the LLM to implement some basic custom harness engineering.

>The recent developments of only the last 3 months have been staggering.

What developments have been "staggering"? Claude 4.6 vs 4.5? ChatGPT 5.2 vs 5? The Gemini update?

Only the hype has been staggering, and bs non-stories like the "AI agents conspire and invent their own religion".

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Post by coldtea »

zibzob wrote: post #195
AstroBen wrote: post #182

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You don't think it's possible you'd notice if you, or the people around you, produced 6 months of work in 3 weeks? The case where it's not obvious is when the effect is <1.5x. I think that's clearly where we're at

I think it's a lot harder than it sounds. First, nobody can estimate time well enough to know how long something would have taken without AI. And then, it's comparing apples to oranges - there's the set of things people did using an AI agent, and the set of things they would have done if they hadn't used AI, and the two are just not directly comparable. The AI agent set would definitely have more lines of code, that'…

This sounds like lowering expectations with extra steps!
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