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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by Bud »

PearlRiver wrote: post #148
Terr_ wrote: post #132

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Ah, you must not be American. At least over here--the subject of the news post--that belief would be considered pro-dictatorship nonsense. The US Federal government has different branches, and only certain branches have certain powers. This is widely known because we teach this to US children before they are 14 years old, sometimes aided by literal cartoons. These "warrants" are not at all equivalent, the same way th…

Wait until you find out judges are appointed by the president... It is actually amazing America managed to function as well as it has been to be honest.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

charcircuit wrote: post #115
softwaredoug wrote: post #68

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One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge. What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

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Not remotely. Not in America, at least.

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Post by Herring »

rayiner wrote: post #194
Herring wrote: post #142

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Well how much have the countries aged? In that case you should expect it to go up, maybe it's still a lot less than it should be. I'm a statistician. That (first) graph is a case study in how to lie with statistics. They should teach it in class. I'm out, I recommend you spend some time reading about this issue. Inequality and welfare cuts leading to the rise in the far right is fairly well established. One (misleadi…

I’m citing a fact that’s plain in the data. Germany, the UK, and Italy spend slightly more of a larger economy on social welfare than they did in 2000. If you have a contrary case based on different data, then make it. We’re intelligent people here, we don’t need to resort to appeals to authority, especially in a subject like political sentiment that isn’t amenable to expert analysis. This stuff isn’t rocket science.

I'm not having this conversation. It's like creationism or anti-vaccine. You can solve this YOURSELF in 10 seconds by googling "UK austerity" or "Germany austerity" but instead you just want to argue from ignorance. Get informed first.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #180
thrance wrote: post #177

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You're freeing this administration from any blame. No system of governance can resist a sufficiently powerful authoritarian push. If the Democratic Party is to share part of the blame, it's in the fact that it is completely bought by special interests and thus unwilling to push pack against the Republicans. But don't be mistaken, this is entirely on Republicans, both their corrupt politicians and stupid voter base wh…

You are putting words in my mouth and taking away from my point. I equally blame the previous administration for leaving a privacy invasive apparatus, as stated by others here this goes back to the Patriot Act.

You should review actual history if you are trying to pin the Patriot Act on Obama.

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

salawat wrote: post #92
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #60

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Good faith by the federal government can no longer be assumed. Donald Trump's real legacy is not any single action, but a complete inversion of trust of the US government by its citizens. And the world.

When Europeans wonder why the U.S. is so backwards and barbaric about not implementing a National ID scheme. Look no further, ladies and gents, because at least once every 200 years, the population has a day of supreme brain off and puts someone like Trump in office. Once that happens, you too will appreciate why it should be hard for the government to do things.

europeans are well versed in the consequences of autocratic takeover of their governments, why they pretend to not know even recent history of the 20th century, I'll never understand.

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Post by galangalalgol »

Herring wrote: post #142
rayiner wrote: post #136

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No, real GDP (inflation adjusted) grew considerably in Germany and the U.K. over that time, and was stable in Italy: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1RMz0 . All three countries spend a slightly greater share of an overall larger economy on social welfare than they did in 2000.

Well how much have the countries aged? In that case you should expect it to go up, maybe it's still a lot less than it should be. I'm a statistician. That (first) graph is a case study in how to lie with statistics. They should teach it in class. I'm out, I recommend you spend some time reading about this issue. Inequality and welfare cuts leading to the rise in the far right is fairly well established. One (misleadi…

Taking in immigrants is a short term solution. Within one generation their fertility rate drops to match the local one. Which means you have to keep bringing in new ones. That means there is never time to integrate, leading to cultural clashes and second class labor. And unless you are pulling from Africa or a couple middle eastern countries, the source of immigration is also declining in population at this point so it isn't a permanent fix.

That said, the fix doesn't need to be permanent. The deceleration of fertility rates is the problem, not the velocity simply being negative. Japan is almost through their problem, as they started it first. Soon they will be on a constant downward slope. Which can be handled by productivity gains. Trying to use unlimited immigration to handle the deceleration bump will create more issues than it solves. Unless maybe if you are China... Their deceleration looks like a sharp edged cliff instead of a hill. Their productivity gains are also very non linear, so maybe that will make it less horrible.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

hackyhacky wrote: post #52
aa_is_op wrote: post #48

Imagine organizing an anti-government movement on the platform of a guy who sponsored said government.

What are the alternatives for organizing large groups of regular (non-tech savvy) people? Carrier pigeon?

Wild things can happen when you leave your house - you can actually meet and have conversations with your neighbors! Crazy, I know.

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

esseph wrote: post #185
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #109

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Less than 1% of what Snowden took and leaked pertained to domestic surveillance programs, The rest was intelligence capabilities and sources and methods. But that's besides the point. There is a real argument that the U.S. government, in trying to catch Snowden, was protecting national security. There is no such argument with Trump.

> was protecting national security No, it was retribution. The info was already out there when they were going after him. Even if he stayed in the US and was captured, it still wouldn't have "stopped" anything.

> The info was already out there when they were going after him.

This was of course not known at the time. The only thing that was known is that a single individual was responsible for the greatest breach of classified secrets in the nation's history, and that individual was still at large.

> was protecting national security

So yes, it was.

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Post by nozzlegear »

asdff wrote: post #25
comrade1234 wrote: post #12

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I swear many years ago you could delete old posts but not any longer. About all you can do now is do something so egregious that they delete your account.

You can do it just you have to email dang directly about it. Pretty stupid system.

Pretty sure they only change the username to something anonymous though, and remove any PII in comments you've written, right? They won't delete the comments themselves AFAIK.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

The HN owners have virtually unlimited funds to pay tribute to dear leader and zero morals, so this is not a real possibility.
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