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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by phoronixrly »

ufocia wrote: post #188
phoronixrly wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing wrong? Does minio grant the basic freedoms of being able to run the software, study it, change it, and distribute it? Did minio create the impression to its contributors that it will continue being FLOSS?

Yes the software is under AGPL. Go forth and forkify. The choice of AGPL tells you that they wanted to be the only commercial source of the software from the beginning.

> the software is under AGPL. Go forth and forkify.

No, what was minio is now aistor, a closed-source proprietary software. Tell me how to fork it and I will.

> they wanted to be the only commercial source of the software

The choice of AGPL tells me nothing more than what is stated in the license. And I definitely don't intend to close the source of any of my AGPL-licensed projects.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ranger_danger »

ufocia wrote: post #194
direwolf20 wrote: post #113

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They're not saying they violated the license, they're saying they're assholes. It may not be illegal to say you'll do something for free and then not do it, but it's assholish, especially if you said it to gain customers.

Customers are the ones that continue to pay. If they continue to pay they will likely receive maintenance from the devs. If they don't, they are no longer or never have been customers.

It would be interesting to see if there could be a sustainable OSS model where customers are required to pay for the product, and that was the only way to get support for it as well.

Even if the source was always provided (and even if it were GPL), any bug reports/support requests etc. would be limited to paying customers.

I realize there is already a similar model where the product/source itself is always free and then they have a company behind it that charges for support... but in those cases they are almost always providing support/accepting bug reports for free as well. And maybe having the customer pay to receive the product itself in the first place, might motivate the developers to help more than if they were just paying for a support plan or something.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by dbacar »

skeledrew wrote: post #155
account42 wrote: post #122

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Social contracts are typically unwritten so the license would be the wrong place to look for it.

If it's neither written nor explicitly spoken, then it's not a contract of any kind. It's just an - usually naive - expectation.

It was not expectation when they started, did a lot to lure many into the ecosystem. When you release it free, wait for the momentum to build, then you cut off, it is something else. And the worse is they did it in a very short time. Check out elasticsearch, the same route but did not abandon the 7 release like this.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ecshafer »

antongribok wrote: post #147
lima wrote: post #82

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It's complex, but Ceph's storage and consensus layer is battle-tested and a much more solid foundation for serious use. Just make sure that your nodes don't run full!

Make sure you have solid Linux system monitoring in general. About 50% of running Ceph successfully at scale is just basic, solid system monitoring and alerting.

This line of advice basically comes down to: have a competent infrastructure team. Sometimes you gotta move fast, but this is where having someone on infrastructure that knows what they are doing comes in and pays dividends. No competent infra guy is going to NOT set up linux monitoring. But you see some companies hit 100 people and get revenue then this type of thing blows up in their face.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by [deleted] »

ranger_danger wrote: post #203
ufocia wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Customers are the ones that continue to pay. If they continue to pay they will likely receive maintenance from the devs. If they don't, they are no longer or never have been customers.

It would be interesting to see if there could be a sustainable OSS model where customers are required to pay for the product, and that was the only way to get support for it as well. Even if the source was always provided (and even if it were GPL), any bug reports/support requests etc. would be limited to paying customers. I realize there is already a similar model where the product/source itself is always free and t…

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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ghywertelling »

skeledrew wrote: post #159
dangus wrote: post #137

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This isn’t about people working for free. Nobody sensible is upset when a true FOSS “working for free” person hangs up their boots and calls it quits. The issue here is that these are commercial products that abuse the FOSS ideals to run a bait and switch. They look like they are open source in their growth phase then they rug pull when people start to depend on their underlying technology. The company still exists a…

In this particular case, it's the fault of the "abused" for even seeing themselves as such in the first place. Many times it's not even a "bait-and-switch", but reality hitting. But even if it was, just deal with it and move on.

Make hay while the sun shines. Be glad that the project happened.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by MikeKusold »

ElDji wrote: post #150

I successfully migrated from MinIO to Ceph, which I highly recommend. Along the way, I tested SeaweedFS, which looked promising. However, I ran into a strange bug, and after diagnosing it with the help of Claude, I realized the codebase was vibe-coded and riddled with a staggering number of structural errors. In my opinion, SeaweedFS should absolutely not be used for anything beyond testing — otherwise you're almost…

Seaweed has been around for a long time. I think you just discovered what legacy codebases look like.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by amluto »

wvh wrote: post #36
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

Apart from Minio, we tried Garage and Ceph. I think there's definitely a need for something that interfaces using S3 API but is just a simple file system underneath, for local, testing and small scale deployments. Not sure that exists? Of course a lot of stuff is being bolted onto S3 and it's not as simple as it initially claimed to be.

Try versitygw.

I’m considering it for a production deployment, too. There’s much to be said for a system that doesn’t lock your data in to its custom storage format.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by mickael-kerjean »

GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #185
mickael-kerjean wrote: post #38

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I'm the author of another option ( https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash ) which has a S3 gateway that expose itself as a S3 server but is just a proxy that forward your S3 call onto anything else like SFTP, local FS, FTP, NFS, SMB, IPFS, Sharepoint, Azure, git repo, Dropbox, Google Drive, another S3, ... it's entirely stateless and act as a proxy translating S3 call onto whatever you have connected in the oth…

Is this some dark pattern or what? https://imgur.com/a/WN2Mr1z (UK: https://files.catbox.moe/m0lxbr.png ) I clicked settings, this appeared, clicking away hid it but now I cant see any setting for it. The nasty way of reading that popup, my first way of reading it, was that filestash sends crash reports and usage data, and I have the option to have it not be shared with third parties , but that it is always sent, and…

There is no telemetry unless you opt in. It was just a very poorly worded screen which will definitly get updated with your suggestions

update: done => https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash/commit/d3380713...

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