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Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by anticorporate »

mosburger wrote: post #174
nobody_r_knows wrote: post #148

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As someone who can only afford cars that are 10+ years old, i've never owened a car with a backup camera. And in a way-- good. That part of my brain, let it continue to develop. I am much better at "feeling out" where a car is than my friends who rely on back up cameras.

I understand your skepticism 100%, but I suspect you might change your mind if you, say, rented a car with it for a week. It's definitely a net positive for safety, and it probably costs the auto maker less than the seat belts (literally).

I've owned cars with backup cameras since about 2014. I still mostly back up the old fashioned way, and really only use the camera for very tight situations where a few inches matter.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by falcor84 »

allenrb wrote: post #196
kimbernator wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.

Give me a backup camera without a screen and then we’ll talk. Doubly so because once you’ve got that screen, no automaker will resist making it do other things.

You piqued my interest. What is the alternative output for a camera without a screen?

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by written-beyond »

mym1990 wrote: post #124
written-beyond wrote: post #39

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You don't, and as long as you're comfortable with that you keep prompting to dig yourself out of holes. The problem is unless your ready to waste hours prompting to get something exactly how you want it, instead of spending those few minutes doing it yourself, you start to get complacent for whatever the LLM generated for you. IMO it feels like being a geriatric handicap, there's literally nothing you can do because…

LLMs would not be popular if "spending those few minutes doing it yourself" part was true. In actuality it can be hours, days, or weeks depending on the feature and your pickiness. Everyone acts as if they are the greatest developer and that these tools are subpar, the truth is that most developers are just average, just like most drivers are average but think of themselves as above average. All of the sudden everyon…

I never said anything against using LLMs. You're projecting.

Any engineer worth their weight will always try to avoid adding code. Any amount of code you add to a system, whether is written by you or a all knowing AI is a liability. If you spent a majority of your work day writing code it's understandable to want to rely heavily on LLMs.

Where I'd like for people to draw a line on is not knowing at all what the X thousand lines of code are doing.

In my career, I have never been in a situation where my problems could be a solved by piecing together code from SO. When I say "spend those few minutes doing it yourself" I am specifically talking about UI, but it does apply to other situations too.

For instance, if you had to change your UI layout to something specific. You could try to collect screenshots and articulate what you need to see changed. If you weren't clear enough that cycle of prompting with the AI would waste your time, you could've just made the change yourself.

There are many instances where the latter option is going to be faster and more accurate. This would only be possible if you had some idea of your code base.

When you've let an agent take full control of your codebase you will have to sink time into understanding it. Since clearly everyone is too busy for that you get stuck in a loop, the only way to make those "last 10%" changes is *only* via the agent.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by m0llusk »

wasmainiac wrote: post #13
oritron wrote: post #9

It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...

> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

> Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026.

Seems almost inevitable. Game engines end up supporting user interface elements and text with translations, but with an emphasis on simplicity, performance, and robustness. Many currently trending user interface stacks readily generate bursts of complexity, have poor performance even with simple usage, and are buggy and crash prone.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by written-beyond »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #60
written-beyond wrote: post #39

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You don't, and as long as you're comfortable with that you keep prompting to dig yourself out of holes. The problem is unless your ready to waste hours prompting to get something exactly how you want it, instead of spending those few minutes doing it yourself, you start to get complacent for whatever the LLM generated for you. IMO it feels like being a geriatric handicap, there's literally nothing you can do because…

Yeah… I wonder how you write complex software without something that looks like a spec, other than slowly. It seems like the prep work is unavoidable, and this contrarian opinion you are offering is just that.

Writing the spec is becoming the default for pet projects. Which would be a good thing if the spec wasn't also partly written by an LLM.

You can already see people running into these issues, they have a spec in mind. They work on the spec with and LLM, the spec has stuff added to it that wasn't what they were expecting.

And again, I am not against LLMs but I can be against how they're being used. You write some stuff down, maybe have the LLM scaffold some skeleton for you. You could even discuss with the LLM what classes should be named what should they do etc. just be in the process so the entire code base isn't 200% foreign to you by the time it's done.

Also I am no one's mother, everyone has freewill they can do whatever they'd like. If you don't think you have better things to do than to produce 3-5 pieces of abandonware software every weekend then good for you.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by falcor84 »

blauditore wrote: post #147
Quothling wrote: post #142

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I think a lot of people, regardless of whether they vibe code or not are going to be replaced by a cheaper sollution. A lot of software that would've required programmers before can now be created by tech savy employees in their respective fields. Sure it'll suck, but it's not like that matters for a lot of software. Software Engineering and Computer Science aren't going away, but I suspect a lot of programming is.

Ah yes, like no-code programming in the past, or what was it called again?

It's called Excel, and there's probably more logic written in it driving the world economy than in all the rest of the programming languages combined.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by JoeBOFH »

falcor84 wrote: post #202
allenrb wrote: post #196

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Give me a backup camera without a screen and then we’ll talk. Doubly so because once you’ve got that screen, no automaker will resist making it do other things.

You piqued my interest. What is the alternative output for a camera without a screen?

My old F150 had a screen in the rear view mirror. I miss that.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by ProAm »

munificent wrote: post #32
wasmainiac wrote: post #13

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> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

> no displays In the US, no. Backup cameras are required by federal law as of 2018. The intent of the law was to reduce the number of children killed by being backed over because the driver couldn't see them behind the car.

> The intent of the law was to reduce the number of children killed by being backed over because the driver couldn't see them behind the car.

Wish they would do that for all the trucks with 5ft high hoods with no cameras.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by leecommamichael »

socalgal2 wrote: post #52

Filament is not a console grade renderer, not even close. It's architectured around GL. Yes, it can use Vulkan but it's not in any way optimized like a console engine.

I understand what your intent is in saying this, and I agree with the intent, but for onlookers, you don't really need a lot to make a good game and this would likely be just fine. I don't actually know if it's possible to ship GL games on modern consoles now that it's in-fashion to have your own proprietary graphics library. That said, the way Google has factored the back-end of the renderer, it won't take a PhD to target one of those GPU APIs.

Aside: GL is still a good practical choice for games built by small teams.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by tempest_ »

allenrb wrote: post #196
kimbernator wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.

Give me a backup camera without a screen and then we’ll talk. Doubly so because once you’ve got that screen, no automaker will resist making it do other things.

My 2010 Tacoma has a 2 inch square in the rear view mirror that works wonderfully.
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