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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

cyberax wrote: post #111
sam345 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not an expert in fourth amendment but I do know that assuming a subpoena without judicial oversight violates the fourth amendment is not correct. All the fourth amendment guarantees is unreasonable search and seizure. In some circumstances a judicial subpoena may be necessary and others not. An administrative subpoena implies that there has been a legal procedure and the administrative agencies are not exactly ru…

DHS/ICE is in a weird constitutional spot. Most immigration violations in the US are _civil_ violations. So the Fourth Amendment is less applicable. It's also why detained immigrants don't automatically get the right to be represented by a lawyer. ICE/DHS technically are just acting as marshals, merely ensuring that defendants appear at court proceedings and then enforcing court decisions (deportations).

They're actually abducting people from court proceedings (and other scheduled official proceedings) and violating court decisions.

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Post by cyberax »

wormius wrote: post #197
cyberax wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DHS/ICE is in a weird constitutional spot. Most immigration violations in the US are _civil_ violations. So the Fourth Amendment is less applicable. It's also why detained immigrants don't automatically get the right to be represented by a lawyer. ICE/DHS technically are just acting as marshals, merely ensuring that defendants appear at court proceedings and then enforcing court decisions (deportations).

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??

What exactly do you disagree with? Most immigration violations are a civil matter (USC section 8). There are criminal violations like human trafficking or illegal entry. But if you came into the US with a visa and then overstayed, you're not committing anything criminal.

And even illegal entry is a misdemeanor, the maximum punishment is at most 6 months in jail. So yeah, ICE and DHS _technically_ don't have more power than regular marshals for most immigration cases.

Which should scare you, btw. There are plenty of civil violations that can be similarly weaponized in future.

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by bl4kers »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #4
jmclnx wrote: post #2

I left google search for duckduckgo a few years ago due to all the marketing drivel returned. I guess there is yet another, better reason, to avoid google. As for gmail, it joined my old yahoo mail as a dumping ground. If some site wants an email, they get my gmail address, which I never go to these days. But how did google get this person's info ? Are they spying on their emails, or worse yet, are they scraping data…

Just wish I could get off gcal. Too many friends/family on it

Huh? There is little to no lock-in

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

It's kind of sort of glorious how Google and ICE are both setting their reputation on fire like this at the same time.

The cloud has such a long legacy of being the safe easy convenient place that you just don't have to think about. Nations have somewhat kept their fingers out of the cookie jar.

But now it's just wanton unchecked madness, with no real process, with no judicial review. Google giving in to ICE so quickly is absolutely existentially destructive to Google's business model, of the cloud being a default place you can put your stuff & rely on.

The cloud never deserved this reputation, and there was a certain freight train of inevitability that was coming crashing in from the future, that nations would make the cloud untenable & hostile a space. That felt inevitable. But this is so much harder worser faster dumber than could be expected.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

> executive orders targeting students who protested in support of Palestinians, Thomas-Johnson and his friend Momodou Taal went into hiding

Ah. They went into hiding. That explains why there are very few pro-Iran protests: for a second I thought there were double-standards when it came to protesting and that that was why we had non-stop pro-Gaza protests but hardly any protests to criticize the tens of thousands of victims the islamist iranian regime made in a few days.

> “As a journalist, what’s weird is that you’re so used to seeing things from the outside,” said Thomas-Johnson, whose work has appeared in outlets including Al Jazeera and The Guardian.

Where can I read the entirety of her work: that is, including her coverage of the tens of thousands of civilians executed by the islamist iranian regime?

For you're not telling she's not covering those because the islamist iranian regime happens to be pro-Hamas and anti-jews right? (btw I'm not jewish)

Right?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

skybrian wrote: post #200
lotsofpulp wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Washington Post can be relied on to publish disinformation, not just misinformation: https://bsky.app/profile/cingraham.bsky.social/post/3mecltnb...

Washington Post editorials have gotten pretty conservative, but that's different from articles in the news section. (It seems similar to the difference between the Wall Street Journal's reporting and editorials.)

If their editorial content is for sale, is it not reasonable to assume the rest is for sale also?

The above example isn’t a “conservative” editorial, it is a partisan editorial. A legitimate organization would never publish such inconsistent writing.

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Post by baconbrand »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #193
fakedang wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and your point? ICE has already descended into detaining anyone, literally anyone, because they have quotas to meet. They seized a white Irishman last October who had a valid work permit and was just about to head to his green card interview. This is Gestapo all over again.

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https://youtu.be/e4X0hI40a8A

Just a handful of examples from last year. As a resident of Minneapolis I can assure you it is much, much worse than these few examples.

Are you not familiar with Liam Conejo Ramos? Or Kilmar Abrego Garcia? Just two other high profile cases, but this is far more prevalent than any reporting has outlined. Three of Liam’s classmates were also “mistakenly” shipped to Texas and returned. At least one of his classmates, a documented asylum seeker like the rest, is still in Dilley.

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Post by drnick1 »

AzzyHN wrote: post #102
x1ph0z wrote: post #17

What are some ways users can insulate themselves from something like this?

As a rule: don't bother with trying to "opt out" of data collection. Reject the collection entirely either by forcefully blocking it (ublock Origin for instance) or straight up not using the service.

QFT

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by charcircuit »

bigyabai wrote: post #186
rchaud wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any specifics about the law they allegedly broke?

Doubtful, charcircuit deliberately writes inflammatory comments just to throw them over the fence and refuse to elaborate.

Sometimes I choose to not respond to people who reply to me in bad faith or if it is a tired argument. This comment thread is about how to avoid having law enforcement query Google for your data. My suggestion was to avoid getting in trouble in the first place to remove the need for law enforcement to care about you in the first place.

I am not part of the law enforcement operation. I don't have all of the details about what the person in the article did or did not do. Regardless of lacking that knowledge I can provide advice to avoid law enforcement.

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