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Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by dangus »

somenameforme wrote: post #135
dangus wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your plan is endless growth? When is the population high enough to stop doing that? How is that supposed to work logistically? In what scenario does that not result in societal collapse within a short few lifetimes? Endless growth and the inevitable planetary destruction/exhaustion from that process isn’t good for anyone, either. It’s easier to adapt to a shrinking population than one that is too large to sustain…

You're creating a false dichotomy since there's always the obvious option of sustainability which is a fertility rate of around 2.1. And declining populations will likely create a far less sustainable world than increasing would. I described in a peer thread how fertility rates directly lead to the age ratios in society. Low fertility rates means you're going to have a low number of working age people for a large num…

The global total fertility rate is already just above your stated ideal rate of 2.1, it's currently at 2.35, so I am really confused at why the comment I originally responded to thought we should all shack up and fuck during the pandemic.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by somenameforme »

dangus wrote: post #201
somenameforme wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're creating a false dichotomy since there's always the obvious option of sustainability which is a fertility rate of around 2.1. And declining populations will likely create a far less sustainable world than increasing would. I described in a peer thread how fertility rates directly lead to the age ratios in society. Low fertility rates means you're going to have a low number of working age people for a large num…

The global total fertility rate is already just above your stated ideal rate of 2.1, it's currently at 2.35, so I am really confused at why the comment I originally responded to thought we should all shack up and fuck during the pandemic.

I don't think you're discussing in good faith there. Obviously what happens in Chad, Nigeria, and so on has relatively little consequence on what happens in America and the Western world in general.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by Der_Einzige »

philwelch wrote: post #167
dangus wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your plan is endless growth? When is the population high enough to stop doing that? How is that supposed to work logistically? In what scenario does that not result in societal collapse within a short few lifetimes? Endless growth and the inevitable planetary destruction/exhaustion from that process isn’t good for anyone, either. It’s easier to adapt to a shrinking population than one that is too large to sustain…

We have a whole damn solar system we’re barely even using. Overpopulation is a fake bugbear of small minded bucket crabs.

Thank you! You will have a place in the world post singularity. The person who keeps responding to you won’t.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by somenameforme »

dangus wrote: post #200
philwelch wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a whole damn solar system we’re barely even using. Overpopulation is a fake bugbear of small minded bucket crabs.

I'd love to hear about your economical plan to extract resources and populate the rest of the solar system. It currently costs approximately $4,000 per kg to transport anything into space, that's current bargain basement SpaceX pricing. It also consumes non-renewable fossil fuels to do so. Let me know how you plan to figure out planetary terraforming, gravity manipulation (so we can live on planets with vastly differ…

Falcon Heavy costs around $1,400 per kg. This is still quite a lot but it can be contrasted against the ~$54,000 per kg from Space Shuttle to understand why the 'hype' around Starship is justified, with the big goal there being to drop another couple of orders of magnitude off the price. At that point costs will be low enough that the door to space will finally be open to full commercial exploitation.

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Post by JCattheATM »

shell0x wrote: post #175
GeoAtreides wrote: post #171

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As a german, are you ok with the human rights violations happening in Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/singa... As a german, are you ok with the death penalty (for as little as 14 grams of drugs)? Are you with violent and cruel corporal punishment (for as little as vandalism)?

Yes, for most part. SG has a zero tolerance policy. I do think the death penalty for drugs is reasonable. Drug dealers destroy families and communities for their own profit. The arrival card in Singapore literally states that smuggling drugs is punishable by death. If you still attempt, that sounds like a “you” problem. Also the punishment for vandalism or rape sounds reasonable. The treatment of foreign construction…

> I do think the death penalty for drugs is reasonable.

Well, it's not. It's barbaric and primitive. A warning is no justification.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by JCattheATM »

virtualritz wrote: post #76

“Disneyland with the death penalty” [1] —William Gibson [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pena...

Yes, still spot on - there's a reason that description lives on so many years later.

Barbaric city states like Singapore should be abolished or taken over and reformed.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by typon »

justonceokay wrote: post #129
typon wrote: post #95

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Even though it feels depressing right now, I think the post-boomer world is going to be an amazing place.

We will be them soon enough. Don’t cut your nose to spite your face

We will be old, not boomers. Boomers are a special generation at a special moment in world history - they made decisions based on the limited amount of knowledge they had about how the world works and while some think those decisions have doomed us forever, I remain optimistic.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by dblohm7 »

JCattheATM wrote: post #206
shell0x wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, for most part. SG has a zero tolerance policy. I do think the death penalty for drugs is reasonable. Drug dealers destroy families and communities for their own profit. The arrival card in Singapore literally states that smuggling drugs is punishable by death. If you still attempt, that sounds like a “you” problem. Also the punishment for vandalism or rape sounds reasonable. The treatment of foreign construction…

> I do think the death penalty for drugs is reasonable. Well, it's not. It's barbaric and primitive. A warning is no justification.

> Well, it's not. It's barbaric and primitive. A warning is no justification.

It's actually Singapore that turned me against the death penalty. I saw a photo on a news site one day showing a casket in Singapore, with some kind of placard showing the decedent's name, DOB, and then the date that they "died."

They didn't die due to illness or injury; they died because Singapore executed them. That was it for me.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by reducesuffering »

dangus wrote: post #201
somenameforme wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're creating a false dichotomy since there's always the obvious option of sustainability which is a fertility rate of around 2.1. And declining populations will likely create a far less sustainable world than increasing would. I described in a peer thread how fertility rates directly lead to the age ratios in society. Low fertility rates means you're going to have a low number of working age people for a large num…

The global total fertility rate is already just above your stated ideal rate of 2.1, it's currently at 2.35, so I am really confused at why the comment I originally responded to thought we should all shack up and fuck during the pandemic.

After Covid and AI progress, I'm constantly bewildered at peoples' consistent inability to extrapolate the immediate following step in a trajectory.

Global TFR: 1990–1995=3.31, 1995–2000=2.88, 2000–2005=2.73, 2005-2010=2.62, 2010–2015=2.59, 2015–2020=2.52

Our current 1.6 predicament was just at 2.35

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