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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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stevetron wrote: post #195
YousefED wrote: post #70

Great to see this on HN. fyi, La Suite is an umbrella project built by DINUM in France that started several years ago, mainly to enable people in the public administration to use more independent tools. It's built in-house, often on top of other open source technologies. E.g.: Matrix powers chat and LiveKit powers Visio (which was recently featured on HN as well when they announced it's rolled out to replace Zoom / T…

I'm a little confused. You said LiveKit powers Visio. But isn't Visio a CAD and drawing app inside of Microsoft Office?

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Post by megaman821 »

seabrookmx wrote: post #159
petcat wrote: post #48

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> I’ve never seen a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. This is very surprising to me considering some of the largest sites in the world are built on Django. Instagram, Pinterest, for instance. Large parts of stripe and Robinhood are implemented with Django. Eventbrite, bitbucket. I believe even Sentry is. All commercial products.

In Instagram's case, they do not use the ORM or Admin, and have an internal fork of the request handling/middleware stack that is 100% async (before the recent async bits were added to Django)[1]. It's great that Django's API design allowed them to move this way easily, but they aren't actually using Django in the traditional sense because it can't handle their scale. I've found that with the Django ORM and DRF espec…

It looks like the next release of Django will take seriious strides to solve a lot of the n+1 headaches, https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/releases/6.1/#model-fi....

Also, I doubt solving Instagram-level scale issues is on the top ten list of concerns for this project. Just getting something out there and gaining users is way more important than solving far future scaling issues.

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Post by snakeboy »

hommelix wrote: post #199
stevetron wrote: post #195

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I'm a little confused. You said LiveKit powers Visio. But isn't Visio a CAD and drawing app inside of Microsoft Office?

Visio here is most likely a shorted "visioconférence", the French word for video conference, or online meeting.

It's the name of a french-developed open video conferencing software[0]. See the 1st prize result in TFA...

[0] https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/visio

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

pyrale wrote: post #142
wtcactus wrote: post #83

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> The French state spends 57% of all French That figure is pretty tired. In France, the pension scheme is counted as public spending. In neighbouring countries, the very similar, mandatory, pension schemes count as private. The comparison makes little sense if you don't compare equivalent spending scopes, and equivalent service provided. If health care was to privatized, for instance, I'm pretty sure we would be wors…

> That figure is pretty tired. In France, the pension scheme is counted as public spending. In neighbouring countries, the very similar, mandatory, pension schemes count as private.

That "very similar" does a lot of heavy lifting for you. Your neighboring Swiss pillars 2 and 3 and not similar at all - they are neither financial pyramids that depend on population growth, nor are they subject to some arbitrary "points adjustment" bullshit (a retiree takes out exactly what they put in without any shenanigans from politicians or "Agirc-Arrco board of directors").

> If health care was to privatized, for instance, I'm pretty sure we would be worse off, but that number would go down.

Care to elaborate why French middle class (we are on HN after all, not on Jacobin) would be worse off on Swiss health care model, for example?

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Post by shepherdjerred »

Insensitivity wrote: post #193

I was looking at the Meet repository as an example, people literally don't know how to write React, without drowning in `useEffect`, `eslint-disable`, `any`. React has it's issues (and a ton of them), but writing code like this, I expect it to end up exactly like Microsoft Teams quality wise. Honestly, at that point, it's indistinguishable from LLM slop

I have met very few devs who know how to avoid useEffect

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Post by hugh-avherald »

plagiarist wrote: post #124
kkfx wrote: post #86

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A small note: in 2026, classic office suites shouldn't even exist in my opinion, so if the EU were to create a glorified R/Quarto, essentially a LaTeX wrapper with some basic calculation capabilities added, it would be infinitely better than any office suite. My personal setup is Emacs/org-mode, using babel for the rest; I use Python with Polars, Plotly, and very occasionally SymPy just to avoid using Maxima if I'm a…

Sometimes I really like a spreadsheet. I found out at work that spreadsheets all have map / reduce now. That's fun. If there were a spreadsheet interface that was secretly R under the hood and tricked me into understanding R that would be neat.

Shiny?

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by moffkalast »

Insensitivity wrote: post #193

I was looking at the Meet repository as an example, people literally don't know how to write React, without drowning in `useEffect`, `eslint-disable`, `any`. React has it's issues (and a ton of them), but writing code like this, I expect it to end up exactly like Microsoft Teams quality wise. Honestly, at that point, it's indistinguishable from LLM slop

Why would one decide to even go with React in recent years anyway? Strangely I've seen it happen a lot too.

I'd have thought that Vue or Svelte would be a slam dunk choice. Do project managers love bloat and lag or something?

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

999900000999 wrote: post #176
parchley wrote: post #157

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No, suggestion those caveats show that you are out of touch with what is at stake. This is about digital sovereignty, not saving money. It’s about not relying on the US. The US is literally forcing our hands here.

Honestly it's probably a good idea for governments to self host and self support anything that's important. >Microsoft Used China-Based Engineers to Support Product Recently Hacked by China https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-sharepoint-hack... Open source alternatives, audited by international teams could be much more trust worthy than closed sourced black boxes.

That explains why Android was not affected by Pegasus and Apple was.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

Certhas wrote: post #185
xp84 wrote: post #150

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“Once ready” they’ll save (somewhat) on licenses, what about paying for it during the years it will take to build it, while it’s not ready? When any random company makes a Build vs. Buy decision the question is “is this a core competency?” Most companies use a package from MS or GOOG because it’s unlikely that they’ll be so good at productivity software that it’s (A) worth distracting themselves from their actual job…

Being able to operate sovereignly is a core competency for governments.

>sovereignly

Minor powers still bend to the great powers.

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