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Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #184

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Seriously, I thought that was what langchain was for back in 2023.

Seriously, what is langchain? It’s so completely useless. Clearly none of the new agents care about it or need it. Irrelevant.

> what is langchain?

and incantation you put on your resume to double your salary for a few months before the company you jumped ship to gets obsoleted by the foundational model

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #58

To the folks comparing this to GasTown: keep in mind that Steve Yegge explicitely pitched agent orchestrators to among others Anthropic months ago: > I went to senior folks at companies like Temporal and Anthropic, telling them they should build an agent orchestrator, that Claude Code is just a building block, and it’s going to be all about AI workflows and “Kubernetes for agents”. I went up onstage at multiple event…

Why is Yegge so.... loud?

Like, who cares? Judging from his blog recount of this it doesn't seem like anybody actually does. He's an unnecessarily loud and enthused engineer inserting himself into AI conversations instead of just playing office politics to join the AI automation effort inside of a big corporation?

"wow he was yelling about agent orchestration in March 2025", I was about 5 months behind him, the company I was working for had its now seemingly obligatory "oh fuck, hackathon" back in August 2025

and we all came to the same conclusions. conferences had everyone having the same conclusion, I went to the local AWS Invent, all the panels from AWS employees and Developer Relations guys were about that

it stands to reason that any company working on foundational models and an agentic coding framework would also have talent thinking about that sooner than the rest of us

so why does Yegge want all of this attention and think its important at all, it seems like it would have been a waste of energy to bother with, like in advance everything should have been able to know that. "Anthropic! what are you doing! listen to meeeehhhh let me innnn!"

doesn't make sense, and gastown's branding is further unhinged goofiness

yeah I can't really play the attribution games on this one, can't really get behind who cares. I'm glad its available in a more benign format now

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #170

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> I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective I know this was last year but... https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

I don’t need external research to validate or invalidate my own experience.

One of the outcomes of that study is that your own productivity estimate might not match up with reality.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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I don’t need external research to validate or invalidate my own experience.

I think it depends on the tasks you use it for. Bootstrapping or translating projects between languages is amazing. New feature development? Questionable.

It also depends upon how you manage it

My process, which probably wouldn't work with concurrent agents because I'm keeping an eye on it, is basically:

- "Read these files and write some documentation on how they work - put the documentation in the docs folder" (putting relevant files into the context and giving it something to refer to later on)

- "We need to make change X, give me some options on how to do it" (making it plan based on that context)

- "I like option 2 - but we also need to take account of Y - look at these other files and give me some more options" (make sure it hasn't missed anything important)

- "Revised option 4 is great - write a detailed to-do list in the docs/tasks folder" (I choose the actual design, instead of blindly accepting what it proposes)

- I read the to-do list and get it rewritten if there's anything I'm not happy with

- I clear the context window

- "Read the document in the docs folder and then this to-do list in the docs/tasks folder - then start on phase 1"

- I watch what it's doing and stop if it goes off on one (rare, because the context window should be almost empty)

- Once done, I give the git diffs a quick review - mainly the tests to make sure it's checking the right things

- Then I give it feedback and ask it to fix the bits I'm not happy with

- Finally commit, clear context and repeat until all phases are done

Most of the time this works really well.

Yesterday I gave it a deep task, that touched many aspects of the app. This was a Rails app with a comprehensive test suite - so it had lots of example code to read, plus it could give itself definite end points (they often don't know when to stop). I estimated it would take me 3-4 days for me complete the feature by hand. It made a right mess of the UI but it completed the task in about 6 hours, and I spent another 2 hours tidying it up and making it consistent with the visuals elsewhere (the logic and back-end code was fine).

So either my original estimate is way off, or it has saved me a good amount of time there.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #65

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I've been using Gas Town a decent bit since it was released. I'd agree with you that it's design is sub-optimal, but I believe that's more due to the way the actual agents/harnesses have been designed as opposed to optimal software design. The problem you often run into is that agents will sometimes hang thinking they need human input for a problem they are on, or they think they're at a natural stopping point. If yo…

the problem with gastown is it tries to use agents for supervision when it should be possible to use much simpler and deterministic approaches to supervision, and also being a lot more token efficient

I strongly believe we will need both agentic and deterministic approaches. Agentic to catch edge cases & the like, deterministic as those problems (along with the simpler ones early on) are continually turned into hard coded solutions to the maximum extent possible.

Ideally you could eventually remove the agentic supervisor. But for some cases you would want to keep it around, or at least a smaller model which suffices.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #170

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> I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective I know this was last year but... https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

Honestly, that is a “skill issue” as the kids these days say. When used properly and with skill, agents can increase your productivity. Like any tool, use it wrong and your life will be worse off. The logically consistent view if you want to believe this study and my experience is that the average person is hindered by using AI because they do not have the skills, but there are people out there who gain a net benefit…

It drives me nuts that people take the mean of AI code generation results and use that to make claims about what AI code generation is possible of. It's like using the mean basketball player to argue that people like LeBron and Jordan don't exist.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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only $200/mo… $200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! Th…

That's one of 3 possible futures. 1. 1-3 LLM vendors are substantially higher quality than other vendors and none of those are open source. This is an oligarchy and the scenario you described will play out. 2. >3 LLM vendors are all high quality and suitable for the tasks. At least one of these is open source. This is the "commodity" scenario, and we'll end up paying roughly the cost of inference. This still might be…

It's clear what's gonna play out. Chinese open source labs are slowly closing the gap, and as American frontier labs hit diminishing return on various tasks, the Chinese models are going to be good enough for the vast majority of use cases. This is going to strip American labs ability to do monopoly plays, and force them into open behavior.

The only place frontier labs will be able to profit take is niche models for specific purposes where they can control who has access to traces tightly. Any general pupose LLM with highly available traces is gonna get distilled down instantly.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #184

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Seriously, I thought that was what langchain was for back in 2023.

Seriously, what is langchain? It’s so completely useless. Clearly none of the new agents care about it or need it. Irrelevant.

Agree, langchain was useless then and completely irrelevant now, but the idea that we need to orchestrate different LLM loops is extremely obvious.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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post #170

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> I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective I know this was last year but... https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

Honestly, that is a “skill issue” as the kids these days say. When used properly and with skill, agents can increase your productivity. Like any tool, use it wrong and your life will be worse off. The logically consistent view if you want to believe this study and my experience is that the average person is hindered by using AI because they do not have the skills, but there are people out there who gain a net benefit…

It’s a skill issue, which means you can’t fire any of your highly skilled employees, which means it has the same value as any other business organization tool like Jira or Microsoft Excel, approximately $10-20 per user per month.

Autodesk Fusion for manufacturing costs less than Claude Max and you literally can’t do your job without it.

So Autodesk takes you from 0 to 100% productivity for under $200 a month and companies are expected to pay $200+ to gain an extra 10-20%?

That math isn’t how it works with any other business logic tools.

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