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OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by jrflowers »

majormajor wrote: post #161
jrflowers wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are buying mac minis so their openclaw instances can date?

I assume the suggestion is that they need to run their bot on a machine that's up 24x7 (and they don't want to do that with a laptop since they probably carry it places and such), AND they want it to manage their texts by interacting with the Mac version of the Messages app. But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates which seems like you're imm…

> But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates

Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around what sort of reads like “It is messed up that people avoid talking to eachother because of software because it messes up people’s ability to use software to avoid talking to eachother”

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Post by LoganDark »

RyanOD wrote: post #187
msy wrote: post #113

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Not just lack of ambition, lack of vision or taste. Liquid Glass is a step back in almost every way, that it got out the door is an indictment of the entire leadership chain.

Recently upgraded. Ughhh...it's just so god-awful terrible.

I think, then, the correct term would be "updated".

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Post by ordersofmag »

chefsweaty wrote: post #191

What's the difference between a Mac Mini and a MacBook in clamshell mode for this? I get the aesthetic appeal of the mini, but beyond that, what's unique about the mini for personal use?

Price. For a given CPU and RAM the mini is cheaper. Why pay more for portability you aren't going to use.

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Post by flexagoon »

podnami wrote: post #17
fooker wrote: post #11

> I suspect ten years from now, people will look back at 2024-2025 as the moment Apple had a clear shot at owning the agent layer and chose not to take it Ten years from now, there will be no ‘agent layer’. This is like predicting Microsoft failed to capitalize on bulletin boards social media.

Is your prediction that most people actually like to use software?

Do they not? Many phone functions are already available through voice assistants, and have been for a very long time, and yet the vast majority of people still prefer to use them with the UI. Clicking on the weather icon is much easier than asking a chatbot "what's the weather like?"

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Post by Barbing »

tintor wrote: post #197
alex_w_systems wrote: post #193

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I think the interesting tension here is between capability and trust. An agent that can truly “use your computer” is incredibly powerful, but it's also the first time the system has to act as you , not just for you. That shifts the problem from product design to permission, auditability, and undoability. Summarizing notifications is boring, but it’s also reversible. Filing taxes or sending emails isn’t. It feels less…

Clicking `Submit` is easiest step of sending email / filling taxes. All steps before it are reversible, and reviewable. Bigger problem is attacker tricking your agent to leak your emails / financial data that your agent has access to.

I worry we'll click "Submit" as fast as we click "I accept the terms and conditions."

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Post by flexagoon »

roncesvalles wrote: post #155
keyle wrote: post #78

people are buying Mac Minis specifically to run AI agents with computer use. They’re setting up headless machines whose sole job is to automate their workflows. OpenClaw—the open-source framework that lets you run Claude, GPT-4, or whatever model you want to actually control your computer—has become the killer app for Mac hardware That makes little sense. Buying mac mini would imply for the fused v-ram with the gpu c…

It doesn't make sense because it's a lie. The author's blog has 2 articles, both of them shilling OpenClaw.

Exactly. See also this sentence:

> Look at who’s about to get angry about OpenClaw-style automation: LinkedIn, Facebook, anyone with a walled garden and a careful API strategy.

Browser automation tools have existed for a very long time. Openclaw is not much different in this regard than asking an LLM to generate you a playwright script. Yes, it makes it easier to automate arbitrary tasks, but it's not like it's some sort of breakthrough that completely destroys walled gardens.

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Post by llbbdd »

thepasswordis wrote: post #180
keyle wrote: post #174

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We are likely the last generation to know how to use a keyboard. Sadly. Kids can barely hand write today. Once neural interfaces are in, it's over for keyboards and displays likely too.

Just as a reminder, 15 years ago was 2011. That was...like 4 macbooks ago. I still have keyboards from that era. I still have speakers and monitors from that era kicking around. We are definitely, definitely not the last generation to use keyboards.

Maybe not the last, but it feels like we're getting closer than I thought we would.

I love keyboards, I love typing. I'm rocking an Ergodox daily with a wooden shell that I built myself over ten years ago, with layers of macros that make it nearly incomprehensible for another person to use. I've got keyboard storage. I used to have a daily habit of going to multiple typing competition websites, planting a flag at #1 in the daily leaderboard and moving on to the next one.

Over the last year the utility of voice interfaces has just exploded though and I'm finding that I'm touching the keyboard less and less. Outside of projects where I'm really opinionated on the details or the architecture it increasingly feels like a handicap to bother manually typing code for a lot of tasks. I'm honestly more worried about that physical skill atrophying than dulling on any ability to do the actual engineering work, but it makes me a bit sad. Like having a fleet of untiring tractors replacing the work of my horse, but I like horses.

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Post by mrkstu »

JimDabell wrote: post #120
fooker wrote: post #11

> I suspect ten years from now, people will look back at 2024-2025 as the moment Apple had a clear shot at owning the agent layer and chose not to take it Ten years from now, there will be no ‘agent layer’. This is like predicting Microsoft failed to capitalize on bulletin boards social media.

Ten years from now, the agent layer will be the interface the majority of people use a computer through. Operating systems will become more agentic and absorb the application layer while platforms like Claude Cowork will try to become the omniapp. They’ll meet in the middle and it will be like Microsoft trying to fight Netscape’s view of the web as the omniapp all over again. Apple will either capitalise on this by m…

So they need to finally finish Knowledge Navigator…

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Post by jjtheblunt »

dmix wrote: post #144
ed_mercer wrote: post #133

The author is a bit extreme for expecting apple to have done something as complex as ooenclaw, not even OpenAI or Anthropic have really done it yet. However this does not excuse Apple to sit with their thumbs up their asses for all these years.

> However this does not excuse Apple to sit with their thumbs up their asses for all these years. They've been wildly successful for all of those years. They've never been in the novel software business. Siri though one could argue was neglected, but it was also neglected at Amazon Alexa and Google home stuff still sucks too (mostly because none of them made any money and most of their big ideas for voice assistants…

MacOS and NeXTstep / OSX were very much novel software for mass market consumers.

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Post by mrkstu »

mrkstu wrote: post #208
JimDabell wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ten years from now, the agent layer will be the interface the majority of people use a computer through. Operating systems will become more agentic and absorb the application layer while platforms like Claude Cowork will try to become the omniapp. They’ll meet in the middle and it will be like Microsoft trying to fight Netscape’s view of the web as the omniapp all over again. Apple will either capitalise on this by m…

So they need to finally finish Knowledge Navigator…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=welKoeoK6zI
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