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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gyudin »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #168
10xDev wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is obviously diversion but anyway: Bunch of "American and European" "patriots" that he retweets 24/7 turned out to be people from Iran, Pakistan, India and Russia. These accounts generate likes by default by accounts with "wife of vet" in bio and generic old_blonde_women.jpeg aka bots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

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People having different opinions other than globalists elites is destabilizing to their reign :))

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Retric »

ramuel wrote: post #195
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The authorities will request the keys for local servers and will get them. As for remote ones (outside of France jurisdiction) it depends where they are and how much X wants to make their life difficult.

Musk and X don't seem to be the type to care about any laws or any compelling legal requests, especially from a foreign government. I doubt the French will get anything other than this headline.

Getting kicked out of the EU is extremely unattractive for Twitter. But the US also has extradition treaties so that’s hardly the end of how far they can escalate.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ffsm8 »

chrisjj wrote: post #100
rsynnott wrote: post #98

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Item one in that list is CSAM.

You are mistaken. Item #1 is "images of children of a pornographic nature". Wheras "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." https://rainn.org/get-informed/get-the-facts-about-sexual-vi...

You're wrong - at least from the perspective of the commons.

First paragraph on Wikipedia

> Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn,[1][2][3] is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.[4][5]

Honestly, reading your link got me seriously facepalming. The whole argument seems to be centered around the fact that sexualizing children is disgusting, hence it shouldn't be called porn. While i'd agree that sexualizing kids is disgusting, denying that it's porn on that grounds is feels kinda... Childish? Like someone holding their ears closed and shouting loudly in order not to hear the words the adults around them are saying.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by verdverm »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #198
verdverm wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

420 is a stoner number, stoners lol a lot, thought of Elmo's failed joint smoking on JRE before I stopped watching ...but then other commenters reminded me there is another thing on the same date, which might have been more the actual troll at Elmo to get him all worked up

Well yes, if France24 was using "20 April 2026" as we write here, there would be no misunderstanding. I believe people are looking too much into 20 April → 4/20 → 420

Thanks for the cultural perspective / reminder, yes that is definitely an American automatic translation

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

jayGlow wrote: post #186
etchalon wrote: post #111

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if a user uses a tool to break the law it's on the person who broke the law not the people who made the tool. knife manufacturers aren't to blame if someone gets stabbed right?

I mean, no one's ever made a tool who's scope is "making literally anything you want," including, apparently CSAM. So we're in a bit of uncharted waters, really. Like mostly, no I would agree, it's a bad idea to hold the makers of a tool responsible for how it's used. And, this is an especially egregious offense on the part of said tool-maker.

Like how I see this is:

* If you can't restrict people from making kiddie porn with Grok, then it stands to reason at the very least, access to Grok needs to be strictly controlled.

* If you can restrict that, why wasn't that done? It can't be completely omitted from this conversation that Grok is, pretty famously, the "unrestrained" AI, which in most respects means it swears more, quotes and uses highly dubious sources of information that are friendly to Musk's personal politics, and occasionally spouts white nationalist rhetoric. So as part of their quest to "unwoke" Grok did they also make it able to generate this shit too?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by alex1138 »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Why is this the most upvoted question? Obsessing over pedantry rather than the main thrust of what's being discussed

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by why_at »

verdverm wrote: post #123

France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

>The Paris prosecutor's office said it launched the investigation after being contacted by a lawmaker alleging that biased algorithms in X were likely to have distorted the operation of an automated data processing system.

I'm not at all familiar with French law, and I don't have any sympathy for Elon Musk or X. That said, is this a crime?

Distorted the operation how? By making their chatbot more likely to say stupid conspiracies or something? Is that even against the law?

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Post by LAC-Tech »

flohofwoe wrote: post #150
miltonlost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

We'll know he's gone too far if he has to take another "voluntary" trip to Israel

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Post by irl_zebra »

jayGlow wrote: post #186
etchalon wrote: post #111

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if a user uses a tool to break the law it's on the person who broke the law not the people who made the tool. knife manufacturers aren't to blame if someone gets stabbed right?

Text on the internet and all of that, but you should have added the "/s" to the end so people didn't think you were promoting this line of logic seriously.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by KaiserPro »

jayGlow wrote: post #186
etchalon wrote: post #111

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if a user uses a tool to break the law it's on the person who broke the law not the people who made the tool. knife manufacturers aren't to blame if someone gets stabbed right?

If the knife manufacturer willingly broke the law in order to sell it, then yes.

If the manufacturer advertised that the knife is not just for cooking but also stabbing people, then yes.

if the knife was designed to evade detection, then yes.

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