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Nvidia's 10-year effort to make the Shield TV the most updated Android device

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

SkiFire13 wrote: post #148
jeroenhd wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the vertical integration is definitely the best way to get it done, it's not strictly required as long as there is good enough documentation for a platform. Linux originally supported Intel without any Intel engineers even knowing it existed. Also consider Apple's chips, which have gotten Linux support without Apple ever submitting a single line of code. While Qualcomm's behaviour is definitely a massive bummer…

> Linux originally supported Intel without any Intel engineers even knowing it existed. It should be noted that Intel makes CPUs, while Qualcomm makes SoCs, which include much more than just a CPU. Usually supporting the CPU is the easiest part, the rest is the issue. That said, when device OEMs release the kernel sources, modders are able to update custom roms for a long time, so I doubt this is just a Qualcomm issu…

> It should be noted that Intel makes CPUs, while Qualcomm makes SoCs, which include much more than just a CPU. Usually supporting the CPU is the easiest part, the rest is the issue.

Here's a random 15 year old Intel PC (you can also do this on many current ones):

  $ lspci | grep -v Intel
  [no output]
Every piece of silicon in it is made by Intel and most of them, including the GPU, are integrated into the CPU. And it's all supported by current Linux kernels. The same is true for many AMD systems except that you'll usually see a third party network or storage controller which is itself still supported.

So no, it's a Qualcomm problem.

Re: Nvidia's 10-year effort to make the Shield TV the most updated Android device

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Post by parentheses »

fragmede wrote: post #197
embedding-shape wrote: post #153

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> I'm pretty sure this is actually Google's fault Who cares who delivered the actual bytes or who initiated the change, the matter of fact is that people buy a device from one company, then the company is responsible for the experience they deliver while it's supported. Since they chose Android, they're responsible for the experience you get when using the stuff you buy from them. I'd never complain to the maker of a…

Because you're on a forum called Hacker News and we pride ourselves on being smart enough to understand the details of systems, and using that to our advantage. Nvidia as a corporation isn't some nobody compared to Google, but do you really think their engineering team has the clout to get Google's advertising arm to bend to their will?

What the commenter is saying pertains to the _decision_ to use Android. That is why this is happening. That is NVidia.

Re: Nvidia's 10-year effort to make the Shield TV the most updated Android device

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Post by cf100clunk »

Cpoll wrote: post #55
qmr wrote: post #48

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The Flying Spaghetti Monster blessed you with CAD and a 3D printer for such tasks.

The solution to it being clunky can't be to add mass to it. Unless you're proposing transferring the internals to a new case and facing all the ports to the back. Seriously, look at this thing. The best thing you can do is tie-wrap the cables together.

Nothing on ifixit so far regarding the 2019 Shield TV 2nd Gen cylindrical device:

https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=nvidia+shield

I've been hacking on computer and av hardware for ~40 years, but I know NOT to risk the only one I've got without getting some clear sense of the pitfalls ahead by using schematics, teardowns, photos, etc.

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Post by Novosell »

wredcoll wrote: post #185
Novosell wrote: post #146

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I just removed updates from whichever app it is that handles the launcher, all ads gone, still get to be on latest OS version :)

How?

On android you can, usually, go into the settings, go to the app section, go into the specific app you wanna downgrade and, if it's an app that comes preinstalled and can't be deleted outright, you get an option to "remove upgrades" or some such thing.

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Post by wiredpancake »

x187463 wrote: post #95
iJohnDoe wrote: post #72

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What makes the Apple TV desirable? It’s $185. Why would I choose it over a Roku $30 or Ultra $80?

The rest of these Roku/Amazon/Google devices are full of advertising and underpowered hardware that results in cluttered and laggy interfaces. The Apple TV interface is completely free of advertising, responsive, and easy to navigate.

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Post by wiredpancake »

fragmede wrote: post #101
drnick1 wrote: post #63

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DRM is anti-consumer malware, so I hope not. There are other ways to source videos than paying a monthly fee forever for something that you will never own.

Yeah, but when your daughter wants to watch Moana 2, that tends to stop being an issue.

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Post by sheepscreek »

parentheses wrote: post #202
fragmede wrote: post #197

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Because you're on a forum called Hacker News and we pride ourselves on being smart enough to understand the details of systems, and using that to our advantage. Nvidia as a corporation isn't some nobody compared to Google, but do you really think their engineering team has the clout to get Google's advertising arm to bend to their will?

What the commenter is saying pertains to the _decision_ to use Android. That is why this is happening. That is NVidia.

Such decisions cannot be reversed on a whim.

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Post by sheepscreek »

School-Cotton wrote: post #149
zinekeller wrote: post #134

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> They added auto-playing, full screen video ads to the home screen. I'm pretty sure this is actually Google's fault (even Sony televisions suffer from this bullcrap). Unlike phone Android, Google TV (yes, that's the official name now) enforces certain "standards", one of them is this bullcrap.

My Sony TV doesn't do this, thankfully

My Samsung Frame TV shows ads in the app bar and you cannot disable/remove them. They can’t even use the Google excuse because the TV runs Samsung’s OWN TizenOS.

They’re lucky it’s a good (beautiful) TV..

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Post by sheepscreek »

brookst wrote: post #172
paulryanrogers wrote: post #168

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Does Apple TV have ads for Apple shows in its UI?

Yes, one or two, and not annoying (not trying to grab your attention). No ads for toothpaste or cars. Apple TV is not the solution for purists who cannot handle anything that can be construed as an ad. It’s a great solution for those who just want to browse and watch content without distracting ads everywhere.

Amazon started this trend among major streaming services - showing self promotion ads.

Apple took notes and decided to outdo them. The F1 movie ads famously popped up in inappropriate places.

Re: Nvidia's 10-year effort to make the Shield TV the most updated Android device

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Post by raggi »

drnick1 wrote: post #63
raggi wrote: post #39

I love my shield, it’s been a staple. If they wanted to really knock it out the park, the next step would be a steamos port with DRM support.

DRM is anti-consumer malware, so I hope not. There are other ways to source videos than paying a monthly fee forever for something that you will never own.

Please talk to your congresspeople about getting DRM abolished, in the meantime, please don't try to deny my freedom to consume legally obtained content that is only available with DRM.
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