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Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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My problem with these type of posts in HN is that the discussion doesn't offer ANYTHING constructive. I comment a lot about these matters on Reddit, and I'm very much against all that's happening in the USA. But the reality is that the discourse i see here in these types of political posts is the same as on Reddit and the like. (Whether For or against ) It would be great if somehow the discussion added something diff…

> My problem with these type of posts in HN is that the discussion doesn't offer ANYTHING constructive. They offer a chance for awareness, which is literally step one. Americans are some of the most propagandized people on Earth, and most don't even know it . It's crucial that the tech community develops more awareness around censorship - no small share of the responsibility is with us . Censoring stories about censo…

I was talking to my uncle last September who is a chaplain in the US Army, and I was shocked by the disparity between what he understood was going on in the US and what I understood. That's not to say that I'm not influenced in certain ways either, but it really cemented my understanding that people in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure other countries too) are operating within two entirely different realities.

He's not even what I would call MAGA, but it still seemed like a gulf that is impossible to bridge.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Not if you label me as fascist, if I were to fit the definition of fascist. Umberto Ecos Ur-Fascism might be worth a read. Fascism isn't just "things I don't like". It's specific behavioral patterns that lead to the worst crimes in modern history and that must be stomped out at any cost. Words have meanings.

> Words have meanings

Not to Fascists.

> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.

Jean-Paul Sartre

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-...

I'll leave it to you to conclude if it's worth giving this mamba good faith replies.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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There is a certain proto-fascist contingent here that sees it to their duty to stifle all discussion critical of the regime.

And there are people who own and run this website with extremely aligned interests. Altman and Thiel have long had YC connections (obv); and for the last year or so Garry Tan and PG have been full-throatedly cheerleading Musk and DOGE on their Twitter pages. Then there's the many connections between YC and the 'defense' industry; you know, the one making billions of dollars from wars that people speak out about on so…

Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#204

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at what point do you start to question your worldview, when you are actively complaining about the "fascist tactics" used by people who tried to kill Hitler himself?

I wasn't, but thanks for proving my point: If everyone calls their opposition fascists in order to justify killing them, who's the fascist then? As per history proves, the ones who lose the battle are the fascist, since both the allies and soviets were guilty of the same atrocities in their colonies that they accused the nazis of.

The fascist is the ultranationalist, authoritarian, and xenophobic side that operates under the rule of one strongman leader. That's all. These days the idea that "Liberals are the real fascists" runs rampant, or even more "Antifa is fascist". It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.

> As per history proves, the ones who lose the battle are.

What are you trying to say? Mussolini called himself a fascist. Hitler modeled his nazi party on Mussolini's fascist party, he openly admitted that and admired him. Fascism is not some word that was invented post-hoc to describe very bad people.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#205

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> My problem with these type of posts in HN is that the discussion doesn't offer ANYTHING constructive. They offer a chance for awareness, which is literally step one. Americans are some of the most propagandized people on Earth, and most don't even know it . It's crucial that the tech community develops more awareness around censorship - no small share of the responsibility is with us . Censoring stories about censo…

I was talking to my uncle last September who is a chaplain in the US Army, and I was shocked by the disparity between what he understood was going on in the US and what I understood. That's not to say that I'm not influenced in certain ways either, but it really cemented my understanding that people in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure other countries too) are operating within two entirely different realities.…

> people in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure other countries too) are operating within two entirely different realities

They're not entirely different though. The similarities are critical to understand; the parts where both parties differ wildly from reality in the exact same way.

For example: 98.15% of 2024 voters didn't hold openly arming genocide as a red line for their vote. I don't believe you can blame the 2 party system for that, not entirely - every adult human has an extremely clear moral and legal duty not to be voting for anyone arming genocide.

Speaking to Americans about this will furnish extremely consistent and predictable responses; none of which hold the smallest amount of weight. There is no rationale for genocide, ever. There is never a good reason to enable the mass slaughter of children, the bombing of an entire healthcare system, the mass targeting of journalists and their families, the poisoning of wells, etc etc etc.

Yet no matter how predictable the responses, there's still no getting through. We all know how delusional the MAGA crowd can be - but Biden repeated lies about 40 beheaded babies long after they were debunked to virtually zero pushback. That lie, and the one about mass rape, was used to 'justify' genocide. Millions of people still believe it. No one was ever held responsible for those lies, not so much as a slap on the wrist.

Biden vetoed 4 UN ceasefires against a genocide that had been already called out by virtually every relevant human rights org. And even after those vetoes, people like AOC - the supposed left wing of the supposed left wing party - told us he was "working tirelessly for a ceasefire". The entire political and media class chose to overlook this, and instead get worked up about, Idk, the 8 trans people competing in professional sports instead.

A party that can inspire such loyalty that it's members overlook participation in genocide can only be described as a cult. The blue cultists says the red cult are in a cult, and the red cultists say the blue cultists are in a cult.

And then there's the other third of the voting population - the faction who intensely dislike both parties, but can't be bothered to vote for a third option even against the most documented genocide in history. Absolutely astounding propaganda work.

And that's just regular people. Imagine how much worse it is for people in the military, where only Murdoch media is permitted and you can get jailed for reading things like Wikileaks. Imagine growing up in a 'privileged' elite bubble, where poverty is "necessary" and "deserved", where every billionaire "earned" their wealth, where some families with generational wealth are simply genetically "superior". Ugh.

So yes, many people live in wildly different realities - but the parts where the blue cult and the red cult have the exact same opinions, and so do even the "independents" (again, things like the 'necessity' of tolerating genocide from your leaders, or the socialist evils of feeding hungry children)... Wow. Truly, there is a vast, almost unimaginable gulf between America and the rest of the world.

... And they think they're free. They think the US is hated for its freedoms. It's fascinating, and terrifying - and the tech community has played no small part in every aspect of things getting this way, for decades.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And there are people who own and run this website with extremely aligned interests. Altman and Thiel have long had YC connections (obv); and for the last year or so Garry Tan and PG have been full-throatedly cheerleading Musk and DOGE on their Twitter pages. Then there's the many connections between YC and the 'defense' industry; you know, the one making billions of dollars from wars that people speak out about on so…

Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

Yep.

Followed by the usual sycophantic support: "You're doing a great job dang, we all love you so don't worry about these cranks", and "Well I'VE never noticed any censorship so it obviously doesn't exist" (Yeah dude that's how it works lol).

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#208

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

It's flagged because so much of the HN userbase are aligned with the SV oligarchs that took over TikTok-US, and don't want them criticized in public.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

Respectfully, I think it’s impossible to have “real conversation” on a site where users are (essentially) anonymous, discussions are threaded, and comments are boosted or hidden based on their upvotes. For deep, nuanced discussions where people can actually change their minds, you want a discussion board — but it’s a paradigm that’s difficult to scale, and so isn’t compatible with the modern notion of social media.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

#210

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

There is another post about this exact topic on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779809

So I can only assume this one is flagged because the source is pride.com

Make of that what you will.

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