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I live near Paris, and it's a shame to see this sort of thing on every surface here. It's so easy and effortless to trash the look of a place, and so much effort and pain to get it back to a presentable state. It just seems hopeless trying to stop it. Sure, you can point to examples of graffiti that don't look all that bad, and I imagine some examples can even be considered to improve the look of a space. But taking…
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This is just whitewashing crime. The people being hurt by this aren't the millionaire or billionaire tech caste. I'm reminded of when rioters were trashing stores in response to George Floyd's death. The usual justification was "oh business insurance will cover it, they need an outlet for their emotions" Well, the only grocery store in a predominantly black neighborhood was out of commission for weeks due to damage.…
I really don't understand the connection between street art and the George Floyd protests. I understand that you generally don't like the idea of people operating outside of the State-mandated heteronormative way, in which case I say, the best way to prevent a riot is not have cops murder people. We whitewash crime every day here, for example theft of labor value. It's not a crime in the USA but it is a crime insomuc…
The thing that really gets me about graffiti is that you don't own the canvas. It's just vandalism. If you're commissioned to do it one someone else's wall, I'd call that a mural instead, and I see quite a few aesthetically pleasing ones around. Why can't you paint on stuff you actually own, instead of making it someone else's problem? You might as well just shit on someone else's lawn and say it's fine because it's…
> You might as well just shit on someone else's lawn and say it's fine because it's art. Are you referring to 'tagging' (putting your, or your gang name on something)? I agree. Referring to well-crafted, or political (think banksy), images, i agree less. Unless i don't like the image/style then it's only lawn-worthy.
The thing that really gets me about graffiti is that you don't own the canvas. It's just vandalism. If you're commissioned to do it one someone else's wall, I'd call that a mural instead, and I see quite a few aesthetically pleasing ones around. Why can't you paint on stuff you actually own, instead of making it someone else's problem? You might as well just shit on someone else's lawn and say it's fine because it's…
If a graffiti artist believed shitting on a lawn was art, they would, but they don't. The problem and solution are similar to OSS: The problem: the artists have something to say, they want as many people as possible to see it and use it. The solution: make it free, and put it where as many people as possible can access it. Yes, I just compared graffiti to github.
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I really don't understand the connection between street art and the George Floyd protests. I understand that you generally don't like the idea of people operating outside of the State-mandated heteronormative way, in which case I say, the best way to prevent a riot is not have cops murder people. We whitewash crime every day here, for example theft of labor value. It's not a crime in the USA but it is a crime insomuc…
I'm curious how you determine the value of your labor.
Me too, but it's impossible to do so in any meaningfully accurate, objective, measurable way.
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I'm curious how you determine the value of your labor.
> how you determine the value of your labor. Me too, but it's impossible to do so in any meaningfully accurate, objective, measurable way.
Nobody has ever found a better system.
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> how you determine the value of your labor. Me too, but it's impossible to do so in any meaningfully accurate, objective, measurable way.
What works is when you negotiate with your employer and both come to an agreement on what labor you will provide and what you'll get paid for it. Nobody has ever found a better system.
> Nobody has ever found a better system.
Anarchists in Spain did in 1936 when they syndicalized the majority of the economy. BTW Walter I'm not sure you remember but I'm fairly certain you've replied these exact words to me before.
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Your comment motivated me to read the way SF frames their regulation: https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/san_francisco/latest/s... > Graffiti. "Graffiti" means any inscription, word, figure, marking, or design that is affixed, applied, marked, etched, scratched, drawn, or painted on any building, structure, […examples…], without the consent of the owner of the property or the owner's authorized agent, and which is…
Yeah that sounds basically impossible to prove since the onus is on them to prove the negative that you never consented to it, but my guess is since it's a civil ticket it goes through some kangaroo court where you are fucked from the get go and the judge is basically the 21st century equivalent of a red-coat.
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*in ways that don't harm that person
Nonsense. The owner almost certainly doesn't want someone's "art" to adorn his wall, and will then have to pay to restore the wall to its desired condition. That is material harm done to the building owner.