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Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by rdlw »

snowmobile wrote: post #140
nonethewiser wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So far it's bothered 10 companies directly with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested? Aren't these companies in the business of leasing land? I dont see how contacting them about leasing land would be spam or bothering them. And I dont really know what you mean by "with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested."

I mean, it's probably worse to pretend to be an actual customer, rather than sending some random message. The AI's obviously never going to actually lease any land, so all its doing is convincingly wasting their time. At least landlords are often quite unsympathetic, so it's probably fine to waste their time a bit.

What do you mean? There's $1370 earmarked for the lease.

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by metalman »

santadays wrote: post #86
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

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These experiments always seems to end up requiring the hand-holding of a human at top, seemingly breaking down the idea behind the experiment in the first place. Seems better to spend the time and energy on finding better ways for AI to work hand-in-hand with the user, empowering them, rather than trying to find the areas where we could replace humans with as little quality degradation as possible. That whole part fe…

> I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you. I think this is the new turing test. Once it's been passed we will have AGI and all the Sam Altmans of the world will be proven correct. (This isn't a perfect test obviously, but neither was the turing test) If it fails to pass we w…

"new turing test" indeed!,any farmer worth his salt will smell a sucker and charge acordingly

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by sgustard »

deejaaymac wrote: post #23
jayd16 wrote: post #11

I'm not a huge fan of these experiments that subject the public to your random AI spam. So far it's bothered 10 companies directly with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested?

I'm not a huge fan of the unsolicited spam/letters/coupons/etc I get in my mail box from businesses and there's no way for me to opt out.

I have more confidence that if I reply "never contact me again" to AI it might actually obey, unlike any people that have spammed me.

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by kortex »

santadays wrote: post #86
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These experiments always seems to end up requiring the hand-holding of a human at top, seemingly breaking down the idea behind the experiment in the first place. Seems better to spend the time and energy on finding better ways for AI to work hand-in-hand with the user, empowering them, rather than trying to find the areas where we could replace humans with as little quality degradation as possible. That whole part fe…

> I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you. I think this is the new turing test. Once it's been passed we will have AGI and all the Sam Altmans of the world will be proven correct. (This isn't a perfect test obviously, but neither was the turing test) If it fails to pass we w…

I think we are closer than most folks would like to admit.

in my wild guess opinion:

- 2027: 10%

- 2030s: 50%

- 2040: >90%

- 3000: 100%

Assuming we don't see an existential event before then, i think it's inevitable, and soon.

I think we are gonna be arguing about the definition of "general intelligence" long after these system are already running laps around humans at a wide variety of tasks.

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by [deleted] »

ppchain wrote: post #22

The point they seem to be making is that AI can "orchestrate" the real world even if it can't interact physically. I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you. However even by that metric I don't see how Claude is doing that. Seth is the one researching the suppliers "with the h…

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Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by amelius »

ppchain wrote: post #22

The point they seem to be making is that AI can "orchestrate" the real world even if it can't interact physically. I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you. However even by that metric I don't see how Claude is doing that. Seth is the one researching the suppliers "with the h…

What I'd like to see is an AI simulating the economy, so that we can make predictions of what happens if we decrease wealth tax by X% or increasy income tax by Y% (just examples).

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by bogtog »

ppchain wrote: post #22

The point they seem to be making is that AI can "orchestrate" the real world even if it can't interact physically. I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you. However even by that metric I don't see how Claude is doing that. Seth is the one researching the suppliers "with the h…

This is fair, but this seems like the only way to test this type of thing while avoiding the risk of harassing tons of farmers with AI emails. In the end, the performance will be judged on how much of a human harness is given

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by hahahahhaah »

bluGill wrote: post #141
knowitnone3 wrote: post #100

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what is Bill Gates wanting to do with Iowa farm land?

Bill gates is one of the largest farmland owners in the world (or at least was - I last checked about 10 years ago...) He hires people to work on his farm, and managers to manage it. Food is the most important thing for modern society and the reports I have suggest he is trying to raise food in the most sustainable fashion possible (organic is often not sustainable)

Why is organic not suatsinable? Not affordable I get. But does organic damage the environment making it hard to farm again? or use inputs that are not sustainable?

Genuine question. I am alway curious when a statement goes against conventional wisdom.

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by snowmobile »

rdlw wrote: post #201
snowmobile wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's probably worse to pretend to be an actual customer, rather than sending some random message. The AI's obviously never going to actually lease any land, so all its doing is convincingly wasting their time. At least landlords are often quite unsympathetic, so it's probably fine to waste their time a bit.

What do you mean? There's $1370 earmarked for the lease.

I mean, it hasn't even "decided" whether it's going for "Iowa, Texas or Cordoba, Argentina". Just look at the files in the repo, it's looking an awful lot like those AI transcripts where somebody's "discovered a new kind of physics". https://github.com/brightseth/proof-of-corn/blob/main/proof-...

Re: Proof of Corn

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Post by hahahahhaah »

93po wrote: post #199
mrguyorama wrote: post #106

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Collect rent. That's all rich people do. The premise of capitalism is that the people best at collecting rent should also be in total control of resource allocation.

i would guess it's less about rent seeking and more about him making a bet on safe places to store billions of dollars. there's a lot of economic collapse that can happen where farm land remains valuable in a way that housing stock, office buildings, or MSFT stock wouldn't

The qustion does that collapse look like a warzone where a digitial piece of paper saying you own something means very little.
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