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Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Ag. can't just be about profit. There's a dimension which is national-strategic interest. Food security, the domestic food economy is important. It is my understanding that a lot of the US ag. sector is making inputs for processing for corn oil, fructose, ethanol, and for exports to markets which in turn target american ag, selling e.g. beef back to the US, fattened on US Soy. It's a complex web. I don't want US farm…

Growing excess amount of food is part of food security, but farmers are going bankrupt because they focused on labor efficient agricultural commodity products to the exclusion of everything else. For many farmers, it's not even a full time job I rather we focus on increasing food security in other way. Maybe we shouldn't be turning corns into cows as that reduce the amount of energy we are able to access. But how do…

>Maybe we shouldn't be turning corns into cows

Why? We like beef. I don't want it to go away.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Growing excess amount of food is part of food security, but farmers are going bankrupt because they focused on labor efficient agricultural commodity products to the exclusion of everything else. For many farmers, it's not even a full time job I rather we focus on increasing food security in other way. Maybe we shouldn't be turning corns into cows as that reduce the amount of energy we are able to access. But how do…

~60 million acres of corn and soybean in the US, the size of Oregon, is grown exclusively for biofuels. This is unnecessary as you mention, as are the subsidies to farmers for these row crops.

Which could be easily converted in one harvest to feed a nation if needed. That option is very valuable.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Of all the guns that rural Americans love, the humble foot-gun is the most beloved. --- Someone else can argue the morality, ethics, economics, and politics of it all, but VERY simply, US Federal Government Agencies are machines for redistributing wealth from cities to rural areas. Rural America voted quite heavily to stop those subsidies. That's what efficiency means. --- Maturity means suspending judgement and list…

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Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Canada has a thing called "Supply Management". It means that for some agricultural industries, we limit how many people can produce, for example, milk. This restriction keeps the price of milk stable, and high enough that farmers can make a profit. It may seem strange to some, but the goal is to ensure that we don't have to bail out our farmers. The alternative is as in the US, where anyone can produce milk, and the…

Ok great, now do maple syrup

https://www.canada.ca/en/agriculture-agri-food/news/2024/04/...

https://ppaq.ca/en/sale-purchase-maple-syrup/worlds-only-res...

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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> They don't see the effect of their taxes being spent, They are quite aware of taxes because 13.5% of their income on average comes directly from federal subsidies paid by taxes on "city folk". https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-da... > The voters will vote against their own interests over and over and over if they keep hearing something that resonates with what they feel. Most large farm owne…

>Most large farm owners are very well off Most family farms (From my area) are land rich. The land is worth a lot, but they never sell it. The farming essentially pays for the land, and maybe a little to live off of. They are NOT raking it in. Also almost all of them have notes on this land, not owned outright.

What % of farms in your area are small family farms (either by count or economic %)?

In the country it’s like 40% of the farms and 20% of the value. That stat alone shows the real problem, big agricultural is wildly more efficient (without wading into the externalities). And big agricultural gets the lions share of the benefit of the subsidies.

I’m not even sure that’s a bad thing but half the reason these conversations are so circular is that small family farms are not what most agriculture in the US is yet we vote like it is.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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I agree. Personally I don't understand the love that agriculture shows to the Republican party, but hey you get what you vote for. It seems like this whole year has been implementing policy after policy that screws over agriculture. USAid (big purchaser) gone. 40 billion sent to Argentina. Antagonize Canadians (Canadians !!) so they boycott American produce. Tarif China so they'll reciprocate on soy beans. Deport far…

I am not a US citizen, just an observer. What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? I also disagree on the wealth redistribution. Government agencies are managers of risk. * Is there a risk to the country's food security if farmers go bust on mass? Then the Government needs to mitigate that risk. Fairly simple.…

i would love to hear Farm-To-Taber answering this. she, a farmer and farm worker, ran as a democrat. i really like and recommend her podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber

she regularly does episodes about politics in regards to farming.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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I agree. Personally I don't understand the love that agriculture shows to the Republican party, but hey you get what you vote for. It seems like this whole year has been implementing policy after policy that screws over agriculture. USAid (big purchaser) gone. 40 billion sent to Argentina. Antagonize Canadians (Canadians !!) so they boycott American produce. Tarif China so they'll reciprocate on soy beans. Deport far…

I am not a US citizen, just an observer. What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? I also disagree on the wealth redistribution. Government agencies are managers of risk. * Is there a risk to the country's food security if farmers go bust on mass? Then the Government needs to mitigate that risk. Fairly simple.…

Voting for Democrats is the alternative.

If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power.

Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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> consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. Which? You can't have both. Input costs are subject to the whims of non-supply managed markets. When, say, input costs rise either the farmer has to absorb that cost (unstable income), or the cost has to be passed on to the customer (unstable consumer price). > and supply Oh? https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/some-m…

> > consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. > Which? You can't have both Maybe not in USA. Looks like another problem that only one developed country says is impossible to solve.

But it is solved here, its whats happening.

Food prices are mostly stable (relatively speaking)

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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There’s only two meat packers… two. Where are the cattle farmers to go? It’s like this across the industry thanks to monopolies like ConAgra, Tyson’s, etc.

There are many many meat packers, or you just mean two big ones?
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