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Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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According to ancient Apple ads, a "Mac" is not a "PC".

Macs fundamentally can't be personal computers since they're entirely controlled by apple. Any computer running nonfree software can't be a personal one

lol so the IBM PC isn't a PC?

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Yes it's a surprising marketing angle. What are they expecting people to run on these machines? Do they expect your average joe to pop into the terminal and boot up ollama? Anyone technical enough to jump into local AI usage can probably see through the hardware fluff, and will just get whatever laptop has the right amount of VRAM. They are just hoping to catch the trend chasers out, selling them hardware they won't…

To be fair Ollama does have a GUI.

There is also https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/built-in.

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> Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed important but it would readily discard short or nonsensical input. That is really difficult to do in traditional software but is something an LLM could do with low effort. I read this post yesterday and this specific example kept coming back to me because something about it just didn't sit right. And I finally figured it out: Glancing at the alert box (or th…

The problem isn't so much the five seconds, it is the muscle memory. You become accustomed to blindly hitting "Yes" every time you've accidentally typed something into the text box, and then that time when you actually put a lot of effort into something... Boom. Its gone. I have been bitten before. Something like the parent described would be a huge improvement. Granted, it seems the even better UX is to save what th…

I think this is covered in the Bainbridge automation paper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironies_of_Automation ... When the user doesn't have practiced context like you described, to be expected to suddenly have that practiced context to do the right thing in a surprise moment is untenable.

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But... A lot of stuff you rely on now was probably once distracting and unpredictable. There are a ton of subtle UX behaviors a modern computer is doing that you don't notice, but if they all disappeared and you had to use windows 95 for a week you would miss. That is more what I am advocating for, subtle background UX improvements based on an LLMs ability to interpret a users intent. We had limited abilities to look…

Serious question: what are those things from windows 95/98 I might miss? Rose tinted glasses perhaps, but I remember it as a very straightforward and consistent UI that provided great feedback, was snappy and did everything I needed. Up to and including little hints for power users like underlining shortcut letters for the & key.

The only one I can think of, literally the only one, is grouped icons.

And even that's only because browsers ended up in a weird "windows but tabs but actually tabs are windows" state.

So yeah, I'd miss the UX of dragging tabs into their own separate windows.

But even that is something that still feels janky in most apps ( windows terminal somehow makes this feel bad, even VS code took a long time to make it feel okay ), and I wouldn't really miss it that much if there were no tabs at all and every tab was forced into a separate window at all times with it's own task bar entry.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

YouTube could use AI to not recommend videos I've already watched, which is apparently a really hard problem.

The problem is the people like me who DO rewatch youtube videos. There are a bunch of "Comfort food" videos I turn to sometimes. Like you would rewatch a movie you really enjoy.

But that's the real problem. You can't just average everyone and apply that result to anyone. The "average of everyone" fits exactly NO ONE.

The US Navy figured this out long ago in a famous anecdote in fact. They wanted to fit a cockpit to the "average" pilot, took a shitload of measurements of a lot of airmen, and it ended up nobody fit.

The actual solution was customization and accommodations.

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if somone from 1960 saw the quadrillions of cpu cycles we are wasting on absolutely nothing every second, they would have an aneurysm

As someone from 1969, but with an excellent circulatory system, I just roll my eyes and look forward to the sound of bubbles bursting whilst billionaires weep.

When bubbles burst, is it really the billionaires who are hit the hardest? I'm skeptical.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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I don't know how many others here have a CoPilot+ PC but the NPU on it is basically useless. There isn't any meaningful feature I get by having that NPU. They are far too limited to ever do any meaningful local LLM inference, image processing or generation. It handles stuff like video chat background blurring, but users' PC's have been doing that for years now without an NPU.

Yeah, that's because the original npus were a rush job, the amd AI Max is the only one that's worth anything in my opinion.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

No. No-no-no-no-no. I want predictability. I don't want a black box with no tuning handles and no awareness of the context to randomly change the behavior of my environment.
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