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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by graemep »

Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

> Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it.

Who has actually done it?

What are you going to use instead? You could move servers off MS cloud platforms (although very little has actually happened and there seems to be very few places with a firm commitment to do it) but I am very sceptical that anyone is going to move client devices to anything other than MS, Apple and Google controlled OSes.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by zqna »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #155
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

> ... 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, ... If, at long last, Trump doing insane things can help get rid of that piece of undescribable turd that Windows is in the EU, please just please Trump: go take the Groenland. As an EU citizen I'm gladly giving Groenland up (even if it's not in the EU but belongs to…

If Greenland is taken over by US, Windows will be your least of the problem. But tunnel vision is oh-so-common in Europe, both between politics and populace

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by graemep »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #157
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

> There is a saying about how us citizens trust companies but not their government, and how Europeans trust their governments but not their companies. Which obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but it's how you can view the EU. I would rather say for quite a lot of people in Germany it's that they neither trust the Federal Government nor the EU government nor the US-American tech companies.

> I would rather say for quite a lot of people in Germany it's that they neither trust the Federal Government nor the EU government nor the US-American tech companies.

I think that is a healthy attitude.

I am British and do not trust my government or big tech (regardless of where it is based). IMO governments are easily lobbied to utimately tend to take the side of big business.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by aebtebeten »

dagenleg wrote: post #177
aebtebeten wrote: post #88

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Optimists practise speaking Cantonese, pessimists— speaking Russian, realists— stripping and reassembling rifles?

Why Cantonese?

Optimists believe the new economic order will be mostly like the old, only perhaps involving a bit more trade[0] with cities like Guangzhou, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen, and a bit less trade with cities like Houston, LA, and NYC.

(for Singapore, Mandarin would be better, but there English works, lah. Shanghai would need Mandarin, but we have our own financial centres)

[0] if the Don were serious about hemispheres, this might work. In practice[1], I believe there could potentially be issues running trade through chokepoints owned by USEUCOM (Gibraltar), USCENTCOM (Suez, Aden), and USINDOPACOM (Malacca). https://www.war.gov/About/Combatant-Commands/

Anyone know of any good minesweeping technologies?

[1] did "The Empire Strikes Back" not teach us that Sith always reserve the right to alter the deal?

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by jansper39 »

tmcz26 wrote: post #192
exceptione wrote: post #90

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It isn't that hard. A democracy can be maximally liberal, including the internet, up to the Tolerance Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The people that govern Big Tech have said as much as that they don't believe in democracy, they show they don't believe in fair markets, and they are put to work to implement the threats of a crazy but powerful clique, attacking free and social democracies w…

This Tolerance Paradox is something I’ve been discussing lately with family and friends, but was having a hard time articulating. Thanks for the link. I see tons of parallels with today’s world, on both sides of the spectrum (left/right, woke/unwoke etc). Like, I do agree that most speech should be free and that dark humour and unpopular ideas and whatnot should be allowed even if you or a portion of the population d…

The last line of that news article is quite important here. He was also arrested for a harassment charge which if memory serves was more serious than his tweets alone.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by graemep »

wongarsu wrote: post #129
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104

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For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

The EU is slowly weakening Google's grasp on Android, for example by evening the playing field for app stores. You can get google-free Android devices from both Chinese manufacturers and the Netherlands (Fairphone). They aren't terribly attractive right now, but that could quickly change if the demand exists At that point Google would probably turn even more hostile to the open source nature of Android, leading to so…

Google is tightening their grip on Android. They are going to effectively kill of alternative app stores by requiring them to use Google's developer verification (there have been discussions on HN before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569371 ). Many countries are introducing things such as age verification and ID apps that require Google Android. A lot of bank apps will only work with Google Android. This is why Fairphone offers a Google Android option, an I would guess that is what most people use.

There are lots of other problems. As discussed recently the HSBC app will not work if you have installed any software at all from another app store.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by echelon_musk »

literallywho wrote: post #199
echelon_musk wrote: post #108

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As a bit of trivia ECHELON was discussed in Grand Theft Auto III in 2001. 'Conspiracy Theorist Caller' phones in to Chatterbox FM to discuss and makes a call to free Kevin Mitnick: > Come on, do you honestly believe the NSA's echelon system isn't already reading your e-mails, and recording your phone conversations? It's all designed to frighten us so we don't complain about our rights being taken away in the name of…

ECHELON was quite popular in games back then. In the Splinter Cell games from the same era (2002), you're an operative of a US black ops organization called "Third Echelon" (and there's a second Echelon too, I guess).

Yep. Sam Fisher works for the NSA!

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by atwrk »

m3nat33 wrote: post #198
u_sama wrote: post #196

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My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case, and all efforts must be made to increase self-reliance and disentanglement from the US. Both parties of the US disrregard european interests. An argument can be made the Internet is actually Chinese because the atoms your bit relies on are mostly produced in China or Taiwan.

> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?

no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by clijsters »

petcat wrote: post #189
akie wrote: post #183

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What the US media (and Elon Musk) call EU censorship is actually a request to follow EU rules if they want to operate in the EU market. What, exactly, is controversial about that?

Is this suggesting that China also does not require strict censorship / "follow the rules"?

Are you aware that china is not in EU?
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