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HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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post #93

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Is there any issue for adult males vaccinating ? I seem to remember some mention of risk by my doctor when I asked about it, but I might be misremembering.

There is currently no vaccine that is zero risk

What's the risk of a vaccine? What could happen?

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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post #174

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The reason it's not recommended for all ages is money. Not safety concerns. Same reason you can't get Shingrix under a certain age.

I think the main reason it isn't recommended for all ages is that it wears off. If you get it before 50, when your immune system starts declining, you might end up getting shingles when you're 60 or 70. Insurance companies used to only pay for the vaccine at 60. They've reduced it to 50 now because people (like me) were getting it in their 50's. I got it in my left eye and because my immune system is kinda shit, I st…

My PCP actually recommended holding off until later in the 50s for this reason. There's not currently a booster so his suggestion was to play the odds & delay a bit in order to get longer protection in my elderly years.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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You get to make your own health choices here, but as someone who got the vaccine in my 30s, I am glad as I didn’t know about my future divorce when I got vaccinated.

Couldn’t you have gotten the vaccine after your divorce if you wanted?

You are presuming that people are monogamous up until their divorce when infidelity is one of the top reasons for divorce.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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post #60

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I said wh ere this trust has broken down _or is breaking down_ - the latter is what is happening in the mentioned countries. First answer and you directly go to 'racism', that's a rather poor effort. Put some more thought into your replies if you want to be taken seriously.

I know you said or is breaking down . I'm telling you that its only for Netherlands you can argue a drop in trust. I'm sorry that you take the racist label as an insult. But the Sweden has fallen talking point is a racist lie, so don't perpetuate it if you don't want to be called out on it. Again I invite you to look at data on trust, and stop making stuff up.

I'm from Holland and I certainly think it has fallen. Not to immigrants but to fascists :( :(

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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post #170

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I would happily pay for Shingrix.

Prepare your happy for a very profit-laden high three-figure bill.

You can get it in the UK, unsubsidised from a profit driven private company, for a mid-three figure amount.

https://www.boots.com/online/pharmacy-services/shingles-vacc...

> Price per dose:£230

> Full course (2 doses):£460

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

#206
post #40

I would like to add: - HPVs are extremely common: 80% of men and 90% of women will have at least one strain in their lives. Unless you plan to remain completely celibate, you are likely to contract a strain. - Sooner is better, but vaccination can be done at any age. Guidelines often lag behind, but vaccination makes sense even if you are currently HPV-positive. While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects…

For those men wondering whether they should get vaccinated: - HPV causes genital warts, HPV is permanent, doctors won't test you for HPV unless you demand it, and the tests aren't reliable, which is why they literally won't diagnose you unless you already have genital warts. - Once you are confirmed HPV positive (again, you won't be confirmed without getting genital warts), you need to inform your partners, as it cau…

You missed three very important caveats that complicate the story you’re trying to tell:

1) not every strain of HPV causes cancer (iirc, the bad ones are rare).

2) many people (in fact, most people) who are active in the world have been infected with at least one strain of HPV.

3) it’s common to have asymptomatic HPV infections. you probably have one now.

one more:

4) the vaccines likely have little effect on anything unless you were vaccinated as a child (and are a biological woman).

Overall, it’s a situation where you’re asking that sexual partners “disclose” something that the partner probably already has, if they bothered to be tested for it to begin with. Moreover, nobody does these tests (in men, at least), because there’s no point to doing them, other than creating anxiety.

I will leave the nuances of bioethics to other people, but it’s not as clear a situation as you’re making it out to be.

One final thing: these infections aren’t “permanent”. They generally clear naturally in a few years.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

#207
post #6

Lots of viruses are really oncogenic. The real success here is the ability of Denmark to track effectiveness. It sounds crazy but most countries do not have electronic health record capability to measure the effect of many interventions at population scale. Once good EHRs are rolled out, we will be able to double down on effective interventions, like this one, and vice versa.

Sadly, no matter how good the data is, some societies will value opinions of uninformed celebrities above facts and reason, leading to a resurgence of preventable diseases.

I mean the issue in this case is not celebrities, the health services in most countries will not give you the vaccine as a man, full stop.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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That is terribly difficult. Why the hell do I have to make an appointment weeks in advance, then take time out of my day just to get permission from some asshole who asks about my sexual history? Why can't I just walk up to the counter, say "I'll take one HPV vaccine please" and pay the money? If you want me to get vaccinated make it easy.

Because we over-rely on insurance for routine medical care, when really insurance should just be reserved for the catastrophic and everything else out of pocket (and/or directly subsidized).

I agree with that, and I don't have a problem with insurance companies demanding a doctor's approval before paying. What I have a problem with is that I can't even pay my own way without a doctor.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

#209
post #93

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There is currently no vaccine that is zero risk

and in the same breathe, the risk is closer to zero than not.

Sure but specifics count. 49% is also closer to zero than it is to a 100%.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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You get to make your own health choices here, but as someone who got the vaccine in my 30s, I am glad as I didn’t know about my future divorce when I got vaccinated.

Couldn’t you have gotten the vaccine after your divorce if you wanted?

Consider that it's possible that the person's partner may have exposed them to their then-unknown extra partners, creating one of the conditions for the divorce.
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