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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by 8note »

myth_drannon wrote: post #113
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets send some over to Ukraine.

And Putin gives a nuke to Iranians then it's game over since Iranians don't care about MAD doctrine. Anyways the risk of the tech falling into Russia's hands is too high. Ukrainians have the smarts to develop it themselves now that it is proven as a viable tech.

iran has a religious rule against making nukes, to the same extent that it has religious decrees calling for an end to israel.

iranians arent gonna nuke anyone without first toppling their religious government

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by 8note »

judah wrote: post #106
xg15 wrote: post #86

Someone should give people in Gaza or the West Bank or Lebanon the same tech.

Gaza (Hamas), the West Bank (Fatah), and Lebanon (Hezbollah) are the reason this technology is needed in the first place: violent religious fundamentalists firing cheap rockets at Jewish cities because of religious hatred. Over 16,000 rocket attacks on Israel last year alone. Thanks to the Iron Dome technology, nearly 90% of such attacks were intercepted, saving thousands of lives. This new Iron Beam technology is mo…

you could alternatively pount towards israeli expansionism, which is a bit more likely than religious extremism. demolish peoples homes and kidnap their families, and theyre gonna respond in whatever way they can.

i expect the iron beam is going to make a lot more deaths, just of people israelis dont consider human. wooo

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by breppp »

karim79 wrote: post #124
andy_ppp wrote: post #121

So will we get drones coated in mirrors and temperature sensors that automatically move them away from these weapons quickly? Or is the laser just too powerful?

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FYI that source is associated with Hamas presence in Europe, acts as a Hamas propaganda piece and previously invented news such as Palestinian organ theft by Israel.

here is the organization founders Ramy Abdu and Mazen Kahel posing with Ismaeil Haniye the leader of Hamas https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.1000537951...

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by coryrc »

whatshisface wrote: post #192
nsoonhui wrote: post #189

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This is an astonishing revisionist take on the reality on the ground. Israel unilaterally disengaged from GAZA in 2005 and pulling out generations of Jewish settlement in the process. By 2006 GAZA has zero Jews, and 2007 Gazans elected HAMAS who fired rockets at Israel because they want to free Palestine from the river to the sea, AKA eliminate Israel. October 7 attack is a culmination of that, and between then and n…

The issue with that type of reasoning is that if you swapped the parties the sentences would be the same. "Palestine removed generations of settlements from Israel, but was forced to attack because Israel wanted to wipe them out." You need to think in terms of principles that can apply equally to everybody.

There are 2 million muslims living in Israel.

There are zero Jews in Gaza -- not even just living ones, they had to remove the long-buried dead ones too.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by breppp »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #135
bastawhiz wrote: post #125

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Sure, until someone says "hey can we stick this on a truck and use it against cars?" "Hey can we stick this on the belly of a plane and use it on a building?" "Hey what happens if we do a flash of this at protestors?"

Which will happen because it always happens

Then when that happens that might be morally objectionable. But probably like any other weapon that already exists, a rocket, missile or gun.

While not everyday a new defense systems is invented that is targeted at statistical weapon that terrorizes civilians.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by tguvot »

bawolff wrote: post #193
coppsilgold wrote: post #182

Laser weapons appear to be advancing rapidly. Once we get to the single digit MW power range, MAD will deteriorate as the ICBM becomes a non-viable nuclear delivery mechanism. What effect would that have? Will nukes start getting used in wars? Will we see deployment of multi ton NEFP[1] warheads that can strike targets with nuclear-propelled kinetics? [1] https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2017/05/nuclear-efp-and-heat.ht..…

We are nowhere near that point yet. Small rockets are totally different weapons then ICBM.

there was interview with guy from rafael who was head of iron beam project. it looks like they have some plans for dealing with icbm. airborne if I understood correctly

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by shigawire »

boredatoms wrote: post #200
wat10000 wrote: post #138

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How is cell phone tracking going to prevent another 9/11? And looking at the historical track record, the DoD has done a lot of killing and very little 9/11 prevention in the past 24 years.

Do they have a public log of preventions we can look at? Seems fascinating to look at the numbers

The heuristic is that it would be in their interest to trumpet their successes.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by serf »

Animats wrote: post #127
cogman10 wrote: post #87

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> Huh, to what degree is this technology gatekept by battery advances? Not too much. The power delivery was doable even 15 years ago. It would have just been more expensive and heavier. The bigger issue I believe would have been the lens and tracking capabilities. For the tracking to work you need some pretty good cameras, pretty fast computers, and pretty good object recognition. We are talking about using high spee…

> The power delivery was doable even 15 years ago. Not really. It took a long time for solid state lasers to make it to 100KW. That's the power level military people have wanted for two decades. Megawatt chemical lasers are possible, and have been built. But the ground based one was three semitrailers, and the airborne one needed a 747. Plus you ran out of chemicals fairly fast.

I took 'power delivery' to mean the systems that facilitate driving the energy into the weapon, not the beam itself -- although now under consideration of the technology I think we should probably avoid the use of the phrase 'power delivery', without a projectile being involved that's essentially the entire concept.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by yonixw »

8note wrote: post #202
judah wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza (Hamas), the West Bank (Fatah), and Lebanon (Hezbollah) are the reason this technology is needed in the first place: violent religious fundamentalists firing cheap rockets at Jewish cities because of religious hatred. Over 16,000 rocket attacks on Israel last year alone. Thanks to the Iron Dome technology, nearly 90% of such attacks were intercepted, saving thousands of lives. This new Iron Beam technology is mo…

you could alternatively pount towards israeli expansionism, which is a bit more likely than religious extremism. demolish peoples homes and kidnap their families, and theyre gonna respond in whatever way they can. i expect the iron beam is going to make a lot more deaths, just of people israelis dont consider human. wooo

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