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NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Zenst wrote: post #193
hnlmorg wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your walking stick looks like it will be used as a weapon then you can safely assume you’ll have it removed upon entry. Events like these will have disclaimers like “admittance is subject to the discretion of our security staff”. The point of the list of prohibited items is to make it easier for attendees to know the kinds of items theyre allowed to bring. What it isn’t, is an exhaustive list of anything that coul…

Nobody going to take a walking stick of an old man or some disabled person using it to walk, not unless it looks like it can pull apart into a sword. But security today and discretion does leave much in the wind. They should have just said any computers other than mobile phones, by drilling down they enable security to fail at their job as people could bring another SBC and go its not a raspberry Pi and that highligh…

> Nobody going to take a walking stick of an old man

Okay Gandalf :)

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by crazygringo »

tadashi-hikari wrote: post #200
crazygringo wrote: post #199

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What key? All modern automotive and smart apartment keys can't be cloned that way. You can't do simple replay attacks. Are you talking about some cheap office RFID badge or something? Because if you have any important keys for things you own that can be cloned with a Flipper, you should be upgrading them to prevent that.

My modern apartment uses RFID keys to get in the front door. I use my flipper as a backup for when I misplace my keys

Oof. Sorry it's so insecure.

Anyways, I'm sure you can understand why a political event, where many of them do rely on RFID access badges for certain personnel to enter certain areas, would not want someone with a device that can clone badges.

If you go to a political event like that... just take your actual key. Not a device that spoofs your actual key. What you're proposing is essentially saying you have a legitimate reason for carrying around a lockpicking set, because you use it to enter your apartment when you forget your keys. It's pretty understandable there are high-security places that won't let you in.

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by Teknomadix »

apetresc wrote: post #173
dfxm12 wrote: post #147

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Adafruit is headquartered in New York and selling raspberry pi is a big part of their business. Reading this as self absorbed or entitled is disingenuous. They're worried about their business & asking why these brand names are singled out is a legitimate question.

Literally not a single prospective RPi customer would have even known Mamdani banned them from his inauguration party if Adafruit hadn't gone out of their way to point it out. And literally not a single one of those prospective customers would have cared, similarly to how nobody cares that "strollers" are also banned. This is the stupidest thing to get mock-offended by.

Political Theater

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by philistine »

dfxm12 wrote: post #147
anigbrowl wrote: post #117

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Agreed. This comes off as self-absorbed and entitled - 'how dare the security team not recognize my ascended morality and technical genius! Suppose an evil hacker does plan to disrupt the event - the only thing that stops a bad guy with a Flipper Zero is a good guy with a Raspberry Pi running wireshark!'

Adafruit is headquartered in New York and selling raspberry pi is a big part of their business. Reading this as self absorbed or entitled is disingenuous. They're worried about their business & asking why these brand names are singled out is a legitimate question.

You know, dynamite is a brand name. Sometimes for security's sake it's easier to call something what everybody calls it.

Small-scale user programmable portable radios does not convey what Flipper Zero does.

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by borski »

crazygringo wrote: post #103

It's not like they're banning them across all of NYC... it's just security at the inauguration event. "Large bags" are banned too. > When a policy bans specific devices rather than behaviors or capabilities, it creates ambiguity for people on the ground. To the contrary, how the heck is someone working security at the entrance supposed to check for a device's "behaviors or capabilities"? This is a quick visual inspec…

I don’t disagree with you in general, but:

> Presumably, the cops are aware of previous disruption with these specific devices, or threats thereof. And it's not like they're going to say exactly what, nor should they, lest it give people ideas...

I don’t think this is necessarily true. The TSA bans all sorts of crap solely because they feel like it, and not in the name of any kind of actual security. It is entirely possible that the NYPD “heard” these terms in media and got spooked, so here we are.

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Post by Starman_Jones »

dmitrygr wrote: post #138
afavour wrote: post #105

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Crime rates reduced during the time stop and frisk was implemented. But when it was removed, crime rates remained low: https://www.brennancenter.org/media/5670/download Strongly suggests correlation but not causation.

Or… criminals were caught and remained incarcerated leaving rates low. A large part of crime is committed by repeat offenders. Catch and imprison them and crime drops. This is well supported by data.

As you said, a large part of crime is committed by repeat offenders. Enough time has passed that those people are back on the street. If crime rates have remained low after the end of S&F, then it can't be that.

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Post by superkuh »

anigbrowl wrote: post #126
0x1ch wrote: post #104

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I received the same prompt from a Windows 11 machine at work. This probably has nothing to do with Tor or Linux, but their Cloudflare settings.

Probably because the HN hug of death looks like a DDOS attack.

Probably because they're using the cloudflare defaults which are terrible like everyone else.

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by borski »

kube-system wrote: post #161
whatshisface wrote: post #159

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Raspberry pis are not a "likely threat," because they are not a threat. It's hard to get away from that fact when evaluating the absurdity of the ban.

Idiots running script-kiddy exploits on any device is a threat. The list says "Raspberry Pi" because of the utility in communication to the parties reading the list, not because it is technically accurate. Cops are going to turn you away from this event if you carry in something that looks like circuit boards and wires.

Idiots runnings script kiddie exploits on their Android phone is also a threat. And?

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by kube-system »

borski wrote: post #208
kube-system wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idiots running script-kiddy exploits on any device is a threat. The list says "Raspberry Pi" because of the utility in communication to the parties reading the list, not because it is technically accurate. Cops are going to turn you away from this event if you carry in something that looks like circuit boards and wires.

Idiots runnings script kiddie exploits on their Android phone is also a threat. And?

Absolutely. The difference is that phones are in everyone's pocket.

Again, public safety has nothing to do with the elimination of risk. It is a practical exercise in the mitigation of risk.

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Post by borski »

kube-system wrote: post #209
borski wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idiots runnings script kiddie exploits on their Android phone is also a threat. And?

Absolutely. The difference is that phones are in everyone's pocket. Again, public safety has nothing to do with the elimination of risk. It is a practical exercise in the mitigation of risk.

> Again, public safety has nothing to do with the elimination of risk. It is a practical exercise in the mitigation of risk.

Sometimes. Sometimes, it is theatre.

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