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Re: Ruby website redesigned

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Why is platforming him in 2025 nonsensical?

Because he said things that some people on the internet interpreted as mean, so therefore he’s mean and we should never associate with mean people.

Ah yes, the "fuck your feelings" reductive response.

But no, what I meant to get at is that DHH's ego is radioactive. RailsConf tried to open their keynote to having Maybe Perhaps Someone Else Talk Sometime and DHH's response was, as it were, [off the rails](https://world.hey.com/dhh/no-railsconf-faa7935e). RailsWorld started the next year and, happy to have DHH keynote, took off. RailsConf swiftly died.

If you're running an ecosystem with a vocal community, is that a fire you want to play with?

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I am sure that the designers had to juggle a massive amount of community input and feedback and I know that this is not easy. Kudos to them for (i) leading with some very apt code examples, (ii) the 4 "whys" and (iii) the multilingual support. Speaking from experience (recently we rebuilt https://raku.org ), I am sure that they will come back and optimize, but tbh this is not the priority with a new site where the hi…

I once tried to try Raku years ago, but I was left really confused by the website and docs. Clicking through the code examples on your new website, I kept being amazed at some of the great things Raku does. It's night and day in understanding the uses and purpose of the language! Thank you. Unfortunately, as soon as I click into the "introduction" section of the docs I'm abandoned to a wall of links and am once again…

thanks I made a docs issue https://github.com/Raku/doc/issues/4739

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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So using a term as an ethnonym for historically British ethnic people is racist? If so, is it racist to assert or assume that ethnic Europeans exist?

Social justice fundamentalism asserts that there are favored (“oppressed”) groups, and disfavored (“oppressor”) groups. True believers have created a largely arbitrary grouping called “white people”, assigning it the “oppressor” label. If a favored group’s nation were flooded by “white people”, that would be seen as an emergent situation requiring remedy; the opposite is what we’re seeing play out in societies like B…

It sounds like a Marxist structure with re-assigned labels.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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What the hell are you on about. "Native brit" does not identify a people the way "native american" does. There is no entry in the dictionary for "native brit". This is all I'm talking about. Quit trolling.

OP was trying to talk about ethnic brits, and I think that was clear from the context. He was then rebuked for that.

The OP was me. I pointed out how DHH's uses the term "native brit" to mean "white person" even though that is not the meaning of "native", which means you were born somewhere.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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I think you might have an issue with modern frontend practices. That's okay, but there's a disproportionate amount of hate towards Ruby's redesigned page. And it looks perfectly fine. HTPP/2 parallel requests aren't that big a deal, all things considered. The website looks cool to me, makes me want to try Ruby.

This is a page that appeared on HN front page news. So what do you expect? People ignoring the frankly idiotic choices made that you now defend with "they will come back and optimize it"? > HTPP/2 parallel requests aren't that big a deal, all things considered. I literally see a progress counter that is for some reason required to display the most trivial animation to show ... a single static link. On a gigabit conne…

Hmm, I don't see it. The animation loads instantly for me on a cold visit. The examples were already there. I tried it in Orion and things were a bit slower, Firefox too. But still not the multi-second delay, and I'm here on a ~30Mbps copper line with some latency. (Thanks syndicus!)

That said, I've no reason to defend the page. It just didn't strike me as bad, but I can see how others are experiencing a bad page.

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He did imply that brown people are rapists, and that transpeople bad. So he also fits your definition of hateful. In "As I remember London" he also says that crime increases when there are more brown people.

I think he backed his citations, and just because migration from MENA regions (a historically entirely different culture) are “brown people” doesn’t make it invalid. Mexicans are also brown people and so are Spanish people in some definitions. Yet somehow he’s not talking about them. If you look closely he’s criticising the kids gloves that the authorities are handling the newcomers that leads to a worsening narrativ…

He did not back those up. He provided anecdata about a single "Pakistani rape gang" story, but the actual statistics say that child sex crime "gangs" are predominantly white [1].

You're allowed to criticize immigration, but if you only ever cherry-pick anecdotes about immigrants of a certain color and creed, and also refuse to correct your statement after you're made aware of the actual facts, you're most likely a racist.

DHH is also not criticizing immigration per se, because he's including non-white native brits in his category of undesirable Londoners. You can't deny that that's racism. These are people who grew up as part of the British culture, they just don't have the right skin tone.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20251003224438/https://assets.pu...

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post #199

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I think he backed his citations, and just because migration from MENA regions (a historically entirely different culture) are “brown people” doesn’t make it invalid. Mexicans are also brown people and so are Spanish people in some definitions. Yet somehow he’s not talking about them. If you look closely he’s criticising the kids gloves that the authorities are handling the newcomers that leads to a worsening narrativ…

He did not back those up. He provided anecdata about a single "Pakistani rape gang" story, but the actual statistics say that child sex crime "gangs" are predominantly white [1]. You're allowed to criticize immigration, but if you only ever cherry-pick anecdotes about immigrants of a certain color and creed, and also refuse to correct your statement after you're made aware of the actual facts, you're most likely a ra…

I appreciate the thoughtful response and the commitment to facts. Racism has no place in these discussions. Let’s examine the points with nuance, drawing from the cited report and context. On the Home Office Report’s Statistics The 2020 paper states that group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders are “most commonly White”.[0]

However, it highlights major data limitations. Ethnicity was often unrecorded or incomplete. Police forces supplied partial details only. The report notes that “the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending”.

It also cautions against conclusions due to “data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias”. A 2025 audit by Baroness Casey confirmed this. Ethnicity went unrecorded for two-thirds of suspects. Better data collection is now mandatory.

While the report leans towards White predominance overall, it acknowledges high-profile cases “have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity”.(also in[0]) It does not rule out over-representation in specific subtypes. This invites careful interpretation rather than dismissal.

On Cherry-Picking Anecdotes and Corrections: Selective stories can mislead. Yet DHH often cites aggregated data from European reports, such as Denmark’s figures on higher crime rates among certain immigrant groups. He praises selective immigration from compatible cultures and commends Denmark’s integration policies. This points to policy focus, not inherent bias.

If presented with the report’s full nuances and unmoved, that warrants critique. Given its caveats and recent calls for improved data, the debate remains open.

On Non-White Native Brits and Racism; Implying Britishness ties to skin tone is wrong. DHH’s remark about “Brits being a minority in their own capital” refers to the “White British” census category, at 37% in London per the 2021 census. This tracks ethnic shifts officially.

Non-White British citizens, many native-born and fully integrated, are undeniably British. If his phrasing suggests otherwise, it needs clarification. His posts emphasise rapid changes from mass immigration, not rejection of integrated individuals. Many non-White Brits voice similar concerns on resources and cohesion, without racism. Criticising policies can be valid if evidence-based and non-dehumanising. Targeting one group without balance risks bias. DHH’s stance seems data-driven on integration, but scrutiny is fair.

Thanks for the source though.

[0]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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platforming him at all is nonsensical if you want to claim to have a kind and/or welcoming community

So your claim is, that he is not a kind person. Were his blog posts that inflammatory?

His posts, his statements, his treatment of other people, yes, he advocates for things which cause harm to others. The term is stochastic terrorism. He creates a welcoming space _to people who are accepting of his bigoted ideology_ which gives some nice publicity, but is not creating a kind and welcoming community.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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post #201

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Because he said things that some people on the internet interpreted as mean, so therefore he’s mean and we should never associate with mean people.

Ah yes, the "fuck your feelings" reductive response. But no, what I meant to get at is that DHH's ego is radioactive. RailsConf tried to open their keynote to having Maybe Perhaps Someone Else Talk Sometime and DHH's response was, as it were, [off the rails]( https://world.hey.com/dhh/no-railsconf-faa7935e ). RailsWorld started the next year and, happy to have DHH keynote, took off. RailsConf swiftly died. If you're…

The guy that started Rails wants to keep giving the keynote.

I’m having a hard time seeing the crime against humanity here.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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post #206

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He did not back those up. He provided anecdata about a single "Pakistani rape gang" story, but the actual statistics say that child sex crime "gangs" are predominantly white [1]. You're allowed to criticize immigration, but if you only ever cherry-pick anecdotes about immigrants of a certain color and creed, and also refuse to correct your statement after you're made aware of the actual facts, you're most likely a ra…

I appreciate the thoughtful response and the commitment to facts. Racism has no place in these discussions. Let’s examine the points with nuance, drawing from the cited report and context. On the Home Office Report’s Statistics The 2020 paper states that group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders are “most commonly White”.[0] However, it highlights major data limitations. Ethnicity was often unrecorded or…

You say non-white British citizens are fully integrated undeniably, but somehow you still determine DHH to be data-driven, even though he implies they aren't, by tracking the "White British" ethnic category.

You even mention this, although for some reason do not comment on how it's clearly racist and misleading.

So I have to conclude you're either waffling, or you're pasting ChatGPT output without parsing what it means. Because if you apply your own logic, you would come to the conclusion that he's using far-right talking points to further far-right, racist views.

edit: I thought I recognized that name, you've replied to me previously with LLM-ish output. You're the weirdo Malmö guy with racist irc chat logs (this you? https://darkscience.net/quotes/#123). I mean granted, their ten years old. Men fan pinsamt ändå. Och med eget namn också, Jan Harasym. Inte vassaste kniven i lådan, va?

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