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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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I've switched away from Nvidia around 2008 due to poor Linux support. Been on AMD ever since (now running the flagship model from a year ago, the 7900xtx or whatever it's called).

Won't personally miss Nvidia, but we need competition in the space to keep prices 'reasonable' (although they haven't been reasonable for some years), and to push for further innovation.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not thinking big enough. Their ultimate goal is gaming (or any computing really) available only in the cloud.

Yeah they want a return to TV era where censors curtail content Everyone will own a presentation layer device. Anyone who can only afford the 1GB model can only get SNES quality visuals. Snow Crash and Neuromancer have displaced the Bible as cognitive framework for tech rich. Am working on an app that generates and syncs keys 1:1 over local BT and then syncs them again to home PC (if desired). The idea being cut out…

It’s not really about censorship though, it’s about having control over a rent economy where there is no ownership. It provides maximum profit potential

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#205

If they do it'll likely be part of an industry wide push to kill off the home-built PC market. It's no secret that MS and others want the kind of ecosystem Apple has and governments want more backdoor access to tech. And which mfg wouldn't want to eliminate partial upgrades/repairs. Imagine that the only PC you could buy one day has everything tightly integrated with no user serviceable or replaceable parts without a…

If they do it all gamers will boycott LLMs. Which would be a godsend. Decades trying to save power, moving to LED, trying to improve efficiency everywhere, and now... We are wasting terawatts in digital parrots.

You are vastly overestimating the standards of the median gamer.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#206

I doubt that this would ever happen. But... If it does, I think it would be a good thing. The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs. Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore…

I have a 9 year old gaming PC with an RX480 and it is only now starting to not be able to run certain games at all (recent ones that require ray tracing). It can play Cyberpunk and Starfield on low settings very acceptably.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth base…

I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less…

Panasonic left the MLCC market and yet you can still buy capacitors.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#208
What I don't really understand is why the big data centre operators destroy their old cards instead of selling them off. What are the downsides for them? Apart from the obvious, i.e. it would bring in money, would it not also drive down the cost for brand new cards? I.e. Nvidia can currently overcharge dramatically because there is such a shortage. If the data centre operators would dump large numbers of used cards on the market would that not increase supply and drive down cost?

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#209

What I don't really understand is why the big data centre operators destroy their old cards instead of selling them off. What are the downsides for them? Apart from the obvious, i.e. it would bring in money, would it not also drive down the cost for brand new cards? I.e. Nvidia can currently overcharge dramatically because there is such a shortage. If the data centre operators would dump large numbers of used cards o…

Who is buying the old cards? They can't be used for gaming, if there was money to be made I think they would be doing it.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#210

What I don't really understand is why the big data centre operators destroy their old cards instead of selling them off. What are the downsides for them? Apart from the obvious, i.e. it would bring in money, would it not also drive down the cost for brand new cards? I.e. Nvidia can currently overcharge dramatically because there is such a shortage. If the data centre operators would dump large numbers of used cards o…

Most data center GPUs don't have display outputs and some use exotic connectors (not PCIe x16 slots), making them worth next to nothing as conventional graphics cards.
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