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8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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What is the economic value of all these AI chat logs? I can see it useful for developing advertising profile. But I wonder if it's also just sold as training data for people try to build their own models?

Not just advertising but market research. Loads of people want to know exactly what type of questions ppl are asking these chat bots

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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Do we know for how much that type of content sells? Not that I'm interested in entering the market, but the economics of that kind of thing are always fascinating. How much are buyers willing to pay for AI conversations? I would expect the value to be pretty low

I doubt its the actual conversations but the aggregated insights that are valuable.

Think: is my brand getting mentioned more in AI chats? Are people associating positive or negative feelings towards it? Are more people asking about this topic lately?

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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The company behind this appears to be "real" and incorporated in Delaware. > Urban Cyber Security INC https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_de/5136044 https://www.urbancybersec.com/about-us/ I found two addresses: > 1007 North Orange Street 4th floor Wilmington, DE 19801 US > 510 5th Ave 3rd floor New York, NY 10036 United States and even a phone number: +1 917-690-8380 https://www.manhattan-nyc.com/businesses/urba…

> Urban VPN is operated by Urban Cyber Security Inc., which is affiliated with BiScience (B.I Science (2009) Ltd.), a data broker company. > This company has been on researchers' radar before. Security researchers Wladimir Palant and John Tuckner at Secure Annex have previously documented BiScience's data collection practices. Their research established that: > BiScience collects clickstream data (browsing history) f…

Israeli company. No doubt some Mossad front.

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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> A free VPN promising privacy and security. If you are not paying for the product, you are the product.

Can we please, please stop using this absolutely deprecated proverb? As shown in YouTube lite, Samsung fridges with ads, cars with telemetry etc. etc. even if you paid, you are still subject to manipulation, spyware, ads and telemetry. It has absolutely nothing to do with payment.

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason you trust your ISP? It handles all your internet traffic; and depending on where you live, probably has government-mandated back doors, or is willing to cooperate with arbitrary requests from law-enforcement agencies. That's why TLS exists, after all. All Internet traffic is wiretapped.

I'd be significantly more suspicious by default of ISPs that charge no money. > That's why TLS exists, after all. That protects you if you're using standard methods to connect. Installed software gets to bypass it.

Well, if someone want to cover a large set of psychological profile, they can always have a full range of virtual brands, going from freemium+ to luxurious-esthetics.

Maybe some

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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I stick to extensions that Mozilla has manually vetted as part of the Firefox recommended extensions program. > Firefox is committed to helping protect you against third-party software that may inadvertently compromise your data – or worse – breach your privacy with malicious intent. Before an extension receives Recommended status, it undergoes rigorous technical review by staff security experts. https://support.mozi…

The problem is most codebase are huge - millions of lines when you include all the libraries etc. Often they're compiled with typescript etc making manual review almost impossible. And if you demand the developer send in the raw uncompiled stuff you have the difficulty of Google/Mozilla having to figure out how to compile an arbitrary project which could use custom compilers or compilation steps. Remember that someon…

For example, the following hidden anywhere in the codebase allows arbitrary code execution even under the most stringent JavaScript security policy (no eval etc):

I=c=>c.map?c[0]?c.reduce((a,b)=>a[b=I(b)]||a(b),self):c[1]:c

(How it works is an exercise to the reader)

The actual code to run can be delivered as an innocuous looking JavaScript array from some server, and potentially only delivered to one high value target.

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is most codebase are huge - millions of lines when you include all the libraries etc. Often they're compiled with typescript etc making manual review almost impossible. And if you demand the developer send in the raw uncompiled stuff you have the difficulty of Google/Mozilla having to figure out how to compile an arbitrary project which could use custom compilers or compilation steps. Remember that someon…

For example, the following hidden anywhere in the codebase allows arbitrary code execution even under the most stringent JavaScript security policy (no eval etc): I=c=>c.map?c[0]?c.reduce((a,b)=>a[b=I(b)]||a(b),self):c[1]:c (How it works is an exercise to the reader) The actual code to run can be delivered as an innocuous looking JavaScript array from some server, and potentially only delivered to one high value targ…

And the reason we can’t put execution of non-declared code behind a permission is because one anal developer at chrome thinks that we shouldn’t break existing sites even though no serious site would do this and you could just show a permission popup with triangle exclamation mark

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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I stick to extensions that Mozilla has manually vetted as part of the Firefox recommended extensions program. > Firefox is committed to helping protect you against third-party software that may inadvertently compromise your data – or worse – breach your privacy with malicious intent. Before an extension receives Recommended status, it undergoes rigorous technical review by staff security experts. https://support.mozi…

The problem is most codebase are huge - millions of lines when you include all the libraries etc. Often they're compiled with typescript etc making manual review almost impossible. And if you demand the developer send in the raw uncompiled stuff you have the difficulty of Google/Mozilla having to figure out how to compile an arbitrary project which could use custom compilers or compilation steps. Remember that someon…

Probably off topic: I once tried to find bad code in a WordPress theme. And it was hidden so deep and inconspicuously. The only thing that really helped was to do a diff.

In JS this can be much harder to find anything suspicious when the code can be minified.

But back to Firefox: My house, my rules. So let external developers set some more strict rules that discourage the bad actors a little.

Re: 8M users' AI conversations sold for profit by "privacy" extensions

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is most codebase are huge - millions of lines when you include all the libraries etc. Often they're compiled with typescript etc making manual review almost impossible. And if you demand the developer send in the raw uncompiled stuff you have the difficulty of Google/Mozilla having to figure out how to compile an arbitrary project which could use custom compilers or compilation steps. Remember that someon…

Probably off topic: I once tried to find bad code in a WordPress theme. And it was hidden so deep and inconspicuously. The only thing that really helped was to do a diff. In JS this can be much harder to find anything suspicious when the code can be minified. But back to Firefox: My house, my rules. So let external developers set some more strict rules that discourage the bad actors a little.

When managers take up their positions, they must sign not only their employment contracts but also various codes of ethics and other documents.

When a survey was conducted on the misuse of finances and powers, it was found that managers who did not sign the code (because they had to study it and then "forgot" to do so) were more likely to cheat than those who actually signed the documents.

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