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I see Chinese citizens traveling abroad every day. Doesn't look like they cannot travel. Freedom of what exactly? Are you really free in America when you have to toil away 12 hours per day to make ends meet? Honestly funny to see people falling for American propaganda.
I thought this was common knowledge. DeepSeek’s Wikipedia entry says that they trained all their models on Nvidia chips procured before the U.S. embargo to China on them. It wouldn’t surprise me if they continued acquiring them through, well, less than legal means. I also read somewhere (not Wikipedia) that they trained on ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini queries, basically feeding in the output of competitor’s LLMs as tr…
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> "Planning to do it" is one thing, but thanks to Trump's erratic and corrupt trade policy, they now have a Manhattan Project-level incentive to make it happen. The plans weren't wishes, they were things they were actively working on to make happen. The point is they didn't need "Trump's erratic and corrupt trade policy" to motivate it, they were already motivated to do it anyway . The US's problem is that its action…
The plans weren't wishes, they were things they were actively working on to make happen. The point is they didn't need "Trump's erratic and corrupt trade policy" to motivate it, they were already motivated to do it anyway. Yes, they were "actively working on it"; no, they had made little significant progress despite throwing tons of money at the initiative. There were lots of stories along the lines of https://www.ny…
That's how things sometimes go when you're building up a capability. I'm sure they were going to work through the setbacks, regardless.
>> The US's problem is that its actions are uncoordinated.
> They are coordinated well enough, but with the goal of magnifying Cheeto Benito's personal influence and cultivating his in-group's fortunes.
No. That problem is bigger than the Trump administrations, focusing on him is lazy.
hope so! why should computing technology be restricted based on country? this isn't a nuclear missile (and china already has those, with a much saner strategic policy than us too (we have no policy against preemptive strikes!))
I mean, it makes sense in the USA's head. They want to win the AI race. What they are doing is making it so China has no choice but to develop an alternative to Nvidia chips. Eventually China will make their own shovels to dig up the gold. I'm not sure what this would do to Nvidia, but I'm sure we will find out.
You just need any company outside china that isn't under sanction to buy them and then sell them.
Even further, you can skip the hardware buying entirely and set some shell company to buy compute from the dozens of vendors.
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Yes. The bans are export controls. They are not banned in china. They are just banned from export in the US. Using them in china is legal in china.
> Yes. The bans are export controls. These export controls increasingly look like "tax". The White House said the US government would take a 25 percent cut of the chip’s sales, similar to a deal with AMD and Nvidia earlier this year that allowed them to sell lower-powered AI chips to China while paying the US government 15 percent of the proceeds. > Using them in China is legal in China. Technically, yes. The CCP, th…
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Maybe criminal cartels should switch to GPU trafficking?
Mexican cartels were branching out into the avocado trade, so why not.
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Yes. The bans are export controls. They are not banned in china. They are just banned from export in the US. Using them in china is legal in china.
> Yes. The bans are export controls. These export controls increasingly look like "tax". The White House said the US government would take a 25 percent cut of the chip’s sales, similar to a deal with AMD and Nvidia earlier this year that allowed them to sell lower-powered AI chips to China while paying the US government 15 percent of the proceeds. > Using them in China is legal in China. Technically, yes. The CCP, th…
I recommend everyone to watch GamersNexus' documentary on the NVIDIA AI GPU black market. They explain how companies like DeepSeek can get a hold of chips that are otherwise banned by the US government to export to China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI
I was just selling my RTX 4090 on Ebay recently and got a ton of bids from Chinese accounts. The winner ($2,325) had Australia set as the country on their profile, but a Chinese name on the account, and the order shipping address was to a different Chinese name (to a regular single-family house in Delaware). Most bidders straight up had China as their profile country. So my 4090 (24 GB) is probably going to get turne…
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The plans weren't wishes, they were things they were actively working on to make happen. The point is they didn't need "Trump's erratic and corrupt trade policy" to motivate it, they were already motivated to do it anyway. Yes, they were "actively working on it"; no, they had made little significant progress despite throwing tons of money at the initiative. There were lots of stories along the lines of https://www.ny…
> Yes, they were "actively working on it"; no, they had made little significant progress despite throwing tons of money at the initiative. That's how things sometimes go when you're building up a capability. I'm sure they were going to work through the setbacks, regardless. >> The US's problem is that its actions are uncoordinated. > They are coordinated well enough, but with the goal of magnifying Cheeto Benito's pe…
It's absurd to say that without elaborating on how anyone else was "just as bad," which I expect will be a key part of your next reply.
Trump is fucking bad, and if you disagree after all we've seen, you're either arguing in bad faith, or you're not such a great person yourself. He is costing us every jot and tittle of soft power we ever wielded as a nation.
Trump is the living embodiment of the old cliché about how in the Chinese language, the words for "threat" and "opportunity" are similar. His actions have comforted Russia, alienated Europe, and galvanized China.