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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by xxs »

mikepurvis wrote: post #186
nunobrito wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was also beanshell if you remember, of course never as polished nor adopted like groovy but it was also fun to use.

Is groovy actually really "adopted" much of anywhere? I feel like for 99% of normal people, their only real exposure to it is as the DSL of gradle and jenkins. I can't imagine writing anything of substance primarily in groovy.

>I can't imagine writing anything of substance primarily in groovy.

That's solely based on a poor imagination, not trying...

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by onion2k »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #181
alberth wrote: post #177

Silly question: how are people negatively impacted by the trademark of "JavaScript"? Because in practice, isn't this a bit like "Kleenex" - where everyone knows you mean "tissue" (EMCAScript).

It's less the fact that someone owns JS's trademark, and more that it's specifically Oracle (they got it when they bought Sun). Oracle is an incredibly litigious company. Their awful reputation in this respect means that the JS ecosystem can never be sure they won't swoop in and attempt to demand rent someday. This is made worse by the army of lawyers they employ; even if they're completely in the wrong, whatever pro…

Assuming Oracle did decide to go down that route, who would they sue? No one really uses the JavaScript name in anything official except for "JavaScriptCore" that Apple ships with Webkit.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by thfuran »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #124
heretia wrote: post #99

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> probably more people are aware of JavaScript than Java at this point All the same, I probably get as many calls from recruiters to fill Java positions as I do JS positions. I've never used the former, and explaining it is always awkward!

For normal people Java is a short way to say JavaScript.

I don't think I've ever met one of these people.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by NooneAtAll3 »

wiseowise wrote: post #87

1) Put JS in maintenance mode, don’t add any language features, only runtime 2) TS becomes the official mainline, whoever doesn’t like types can just keep writing as they did before, because valid JS is valid TS Problem solved, it’s not that difficult.

3) remove js and its derivatives from the internet, switch to lua or smth

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by Orygin »

onion2k wrote: post #202
StableAlkyne wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's less the fact that someone owns JS's trademark, and more that it's specifically Oracle (they got it when they bought Sun). Oracle is an incredibly litigious company. Their awful reputation in this respect means that the JS ecosystem can never be sure they won't swoop in and attempt to demand rent someday. This is made worse by the army of lawyers they employ; even if they're completely in the wrong, whatever pro…

Assuming Oracle did decide to go down that route, who would they sue? No one really uses the JavaScript name in anything official except for "JavaScriptCore" that Apple ships with Webkit.

Afaik they already sued Deno: https://deno.com/blog/deno-v-oracle2

Edit: Seems I'm incorrect, see below

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by dev0p »

alberth wrote: post #177

Silly question: how are people negatively impacted by the trademark of "JavaScript"? Because in practice, isn't this a bit like "Kleenex" - where everyone knows you mean "tissue" (EMCAScript).

The fact that you wrote it wrong is hilariously ironic.

JavaScript is simply the better term, and marketing is everything. Reminds me of Java's POJOs, which was a very simple pattern that no one used, until someone gave them a fancy name.

ECMAScript is a horrible technical name. Might as well call it ACMEScript considering how willie e. coyote it feels to develop with it...

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by saghm »

Orygin wrote: post #207
onion2k wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming Oracle did decide to go down that route, who would they sue? No one really uses the JavaScript name in anything official except for "JavaScriptCore" that Apple ships with Webkit.

Afaik they already sued Deno: https://deno.com/blog/deno-v-oracle2 Edit: Seems I'm incorrect, see below

I had no idea this was a thing! I'm surprised this didn't attract more attention.
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