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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by gield »

Maken wrote: post #125
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

There is also the fact that automatically generated content predates ChatGPT by a lot. By around 2020 most Google searches already returned lots of SEO-optimized pages made from scrapped content or keyword soups made by rudimentary language models or markov chains.

And 10 years ago, Reddit was already experimenting with auto-generated subreddits: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by clucas »

graemep wrote: post #186
jwr wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism doesn't get us anywhere — saying "but what about X" (insert anything for X here) usually results in doing nothing. Some of us would rather take a stand, imperfect as it is, than just sit and do nothing. Especially in the very clear case of someone (Kagi) doing business with a country that invaded a neighboring country for no reason, and keeps killing people there.

Why this particular stand? Is doing nothing any better than taking what are essentially random stands? Obviously if you are Ukrainian this will be an important stand to you, but otherwise doing things based on a mix of what the media you like focuses on or whatever is not really very different from doing nothing.

I think "no wars of conquest" is a bright line that was crossed by Russia, that hasn't been crossed by other nations in a long time. And I think it's important for the whole world to take a stand on that, not just the nation that was invaded. It's not a "random stand."

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by varjag »

oh_fiddlesticks wrote: post #193
varjag wrote: post #177

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Yandex is the government approved search engine in Russia, which is impossible without the state exerting control over it. I wouldn't pay much attention to divestment, it's not how any of that works. For instance here you can learn that Yandex NV is fully controlled by a group of Russian investors: https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/03/2024/65e7a0f29a7947609ea39...

The government's where the offices of a software company are physically located exert control over them. To follow this logic to its end and apply it even handedly results in nation based NIH syndrome surely?

You are talking about an entity whose ownership is 99.8% Russian nationals and state companies; whose employees for the most part are Russian nationals, whose main market is Russia and with very little tangible assets that can be arrested in the Netherlands. The only reason for this "divestment" is sanctions evasion.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by _heimdall »

kortilla wrote: post #195
_heimdall wrote: post #182

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You don't "trust" a divorce is alimony was part of the settlement?

Yep, when the party paying can decide not to pay and there are no teeth to extract payment, that gives immense power to the payer.

At least in my area, there are legal avenues if alimony goes unpaid. Assets can be seized to pay off late payments and wages can be garnished.

Its a different story if the payer truly can't afford to pay the alimony, but at that point they wouldn't have the immense power you are concerned with.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by artursapek »

jwr wrote: post #163
smusamashah wrote: post #148

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There are few other powerful countries, with countless Web services, who freely wages war(s) on other countries and support wars in many different ways. Is there a way to avoid their products?

Whataboutism doesn't get us anywhere — saying "but what about X" (insert anything for X here) usually results in doing nothing. Some of us would rather take a stand, imperfect as it is, than just sit and do nothing. Especially in the very clear case of someone (Kagi) doing business with a country that invaded a neighboring country for no reason, and keeps killing people there.

“whataboutism” is the reddit word for calling out hypocrisy

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by artursapek »

amelius wrote: post #140
justinclift wrote: post #124

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Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

based Vlad tbh

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Planktonne »

sethops1 wrote: post #91
Daz912 wrote: post #66

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>that they were the future of sharing content online nobody was saying that

People right here on HN were adamant my next house would be purchased using an NFT. And similar absurd claims about blockchain before that.

And it's at least interesting that it's a lot of the same people pitching AI now who were all so excited about blockchain and NFTs and the metaverse.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by artursapek »

never_inline wrote: post #110
permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

A colleague sent me a confident ChatGPT formatted bug report. It misidentified what the actual bug was. But the tone was so confident, and he replied to my later messages using chat gpt itself, which insisted I was wrong. I don't like this future.

Did you call his ass out for being lazy and wasting your time?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by flir »

jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #79
teiferer wrote: post #72

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Because the pyramids, the theory of general relativity and the Linux kernel are all totally comparable to ChatGPT output. /s Why is anybody still surprised that the AI bubble made it that big?

for every theory of relativity the is the religious non-sense and superstitions of the medieval ages or today

I know we're just pointlessly abusing the analogy here, but... mediaeval cathedrals are a greater work of artifice than pyramids.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by mcv »

smusamashah wrote: post #148
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

There are few other powerful countries, with countless Web services, who freely wages war(s) on other countries and support wars in many different ways. Is there a way to avoid their products?

As a European, I'm also increasingly in favour of avoiding American companies. Especially the big corrupting near-monopolists.

It's worth pointing out the flaws of all bad actors. The more info we have, the more effectively we can act.

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