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Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by throwaway2037 »

BlaDeKke wrote: post #196
Muromec wrote: post #152

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>How often are you listening to your own native language and you are confused by two words that sounds similar It confuses the hell out of me when non-natives misplace stress in Ukrainian and use wrong cases. It's that I want to gatekeep, but above certain rate of mistakes it's just difficult to follow what is being said.

Since the war, we have a lot of Ukrainians at our Flemish school. We just make it work, no time for gatekeeping.

    > We just make it work, no time for gatekeeping.
This is nice to hear. A real win.

Real question (because it took me, sadly, too long to learn it as an adult): Why don't they gatekeep? Do you think there is compassion for those who fled war in Ukraine, so people are more forgiving about linguistic and cultural differences?

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Post by BurningFrog »

mcmoor wrote: post #162
ghaff wrote: post #11

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I also imagine a lot of people who are admiring these megacities have never been to one. Jakarta has oceans of scooters and, when I was there to visit some customers with our country manager, she had a driver. With some exceptions like Singapore, SE Asian cities are horrible to get around.

Everytime I see the ocean of scooters, I wonder how horrible it'd be if scooters weren't invented but instead everyone use cars like in America. Either it'll make the most legendary traffic jam ever or GDP will be cut in half since no one can move anywhere. With our already overcrowded public transport, it's practically the only alternative. I actually wonder how much better American traffic would be if scooters are…

Americans use cars because we can afford them. The Indonesians would too if they could.

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Post by rossriley »

stickfigure wrote: post #178
decimalenough wrote: post #17

I used to spend a lot of time in Jakarta for work, and it's an underrated city. Yes, it's hot, congested, polluted and largely poor, but so is Bangkok. Public transport remains not great, but it's improved a lot with the airport link, the metro, LRT, Transjakarta BRT. SE Asia's only legit high speed train now connects to Bandung in minutes. Grab/Gojek (Uber equivalents) make getting around cheap and bypass the langua…

> lunch at the Italian place in the Ritz-Carlton was under $10 I'm curious, what does a beer or a glass of wine cost?

A local beer in a bar will normally be around 60k IDR so $3-4, wine is more expensive generally in SEA you'll normally pay around 90-100k IDR per glass.

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Post by askvictor »

nrhrjrjrjtntbt wrote: post #89
itake wrote: post #43

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I spent a month in Jakarta earlier this year and wasn't impressed. Traffic was terrible. I almost missed my flight due to taking a bike over a car, but then it started pouring rain and I had to huddle under a bridge while I waited for a car. Jakarta has a noise problem. The temples blasting the prayers is disruptive to sleep and inner peace. The traffic does not make anything either. Also, Indonesian food IMHO is at…

Rain, noise, traffic... welcome to SEA

Bangkok doesn't have nearly the noise issues of Jakarta; the traffic proceeds without every vehicle beeping most of the time in Bangkok. Also no prayer calls.

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Post by mc3301 »

rester324 wrote: post #187
itake wrote: post #148

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U.S. cities have noise laws. I don’t think Tokyo is considered loud. Yes, temples blasting prayers.

I can tell you that Tokyo is very loud. Constant road traffic noise everywhere, drunk people singing on the streets, pointless warnings from the local municipal office on the public alert system, noisy street advertisements, constant announcements in train stations, bousouzoku gangs constantly revving their bikes in silent neighborhoods every night, flight traffic noise, railroad noise of the trains passing, level cr…

noisy street advertisements.. and jingles... shops of all shapes and sizes blaring music...

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Post by throwaway2037 »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #195
throwaway2037 wrote: post #132

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In Japan/ese, the pitch/stress thing is overrated, and so are regional language differences. When natives point it out to me, it strikes me a little more than cultural gatekeeping. Linguistic context matters much more. How often are you listening to your own native language and you are confused by two words that sounds similar (like 'hashi' in Japanese for bridge/chopsticks)? Almost never. Advice: Ignore it when nati…

Japanese actually has a much smaller set of phonemes (~half as many as English), resulting in extensive homophones. When combined with its greater tendency toward ambiguity, correct use of pitch can actually have a larger impact on intelligibility, as compared to many other languages.

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Post by bwv848 »

exhilaration wrote: post #142
alephnerd wrote: post #110

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> I am not sure why SE Asian cities aren't going as all in on mass transit like China Eminent domain and mass demolitions were very common in 1990s-2010s China, and to a degree that I have not seen in other authoritarian and nominally communist states like Vietnam or even Laos, let alone other less authoritarian states. Entire neighborhoods, villages, and towns were razed to build the urban areas that make up China t…

In Beijing alone, some activists said more than 1 million people were forced from their homes to make way for new sports venues for last year's Olympics. Wow...

And don't forget Beijing's forced eviction of tens of thousands of so called 'low end population' in the middle of winter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/china-beijing-...

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Post by bugglebeetle »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #206
bugglebeetle wrote: post #195

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Japanese actually has a much smaller set of phonemes (~half as many as English), resulting in extensive homophones. When combined with its greater tendency toward ambiguity, correct use of pitch can actually have a larger impact on intelligibility, as compared to many other languages.

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Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by faizmokh »

Froztnova wrote: post #137
deepspace wrote: post #103

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That's so weird. What do they teach in American schools? Apparently not even basic geography? The fact that Indonesia was Muslim is something I learned very early on - certainly before high school.

TBH, without going into overmuch detail, I wouldn't generalize from my educational experience to the American educational system as a whole. I think it was better in a lot of ways, and worse in a few ways, than what most people would have received, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some particular holes in my knowledge due to taking part in multiple curricula from different institutions.

Now figure out how Christianity got around in SEA region.

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Post by nguyenkien »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #116
alephnerd wrote: post #110

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> I am not sure why SE Asian cities aren't going as all in on mass transit like China Eminent domain and mass demolitions were very common in 1990s-2010s China, and to a degree that I have not seen in other authoritarian and nominally communist states like Vietnam or even Laos, let alone other less authoritarian states. Entire neighborhoods, villages, and towns were razed to build the urban areas that make up China t…

Even in democratic Taiwan they have this mindset to an extent - private land must not stand in the way of infrastructure.

Heck, even US use these tactic: https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/brent-cebul-tearing-do...
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