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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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You get slightly better mpg on premium, just not enough to justify the cost.

Not unless you’re adjusting timing. Premium gas has lower energy per unit mass and per unit volume than standard gas.

> Not unless you’re adjusting timing.

Which, every modern ECU will do automatically based on output from the knock sensors.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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One can see it that way, granted. When I zoom all the way out, all of consumer computation has existed as sort of an addendum or ancillary organ to the big customers: government, large corporations, etc. All our beloved consumer tech started out as absurdly high priced niche stuff for them. We've been sold the overflow capacity and binned parts. And that seems to be a more-or-less natural consequence of large purchas…

> When I zoom all the way out, all of consumer computation has existed as sort of an addendum or ancillary organ to the big customers: government, large corporations, etc. Perfectly stated. I think comments like the one above come from a mentality that the individual consumer should be the center of the computing universe and big purchasers should be forced to live with the leftovers. What's really happening is the b…

> We wouldn't have incredible GPUs in our gaming systems and even cell phones if the primary market for these things was retail entertainment purchases that people make every 5 years.

Arguably we don't. Most of the improvements these days seem to be on the GPGPU side with very little gains in raster performance this decade.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Gaming drove the development of GPUs which led to the current AI boom. Smartphones drove small process nodes for power efficiency.

SGI and 3Dfx made high-end simulators for aerospace in the beginning. Gaming grew out of that. Even Intel's first GPU (the i740) came from GE Aerospace.

3dfx didnt. They had a subsidiary? spinoff? Quantum3D that reused 3dfx commodity chips to build cards for simulators.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Potentially unpopular take: memory manufacturers have been operating on the margins of profitability for quite a while now. Their products are essentially an indistinguishable commodity. Memory from Samsung or Micron or another manufacturer may have slight differences in overclockability, but that matters little to folks who just want a stable system. Hopefully the shortage leads large purchasers to engage in long-te…

"memory manufacturers have been operating on the margins of profitability for quite a while now." The manufacturers are scumbags is more likely answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

I wonder how long it will take for China to flood the market with state-of-the-art modules. It's a pretty decent opportunity for them. They probably can hasten the build of new fabs more than many other nations.

But my guess is that this shortage is short-lived (mostly because of the threat above). There's no OPEC for tech.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

Sounds like a business opportunity for someone to come in and scale better.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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post #98

So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world?

In the hands of the owners of the AI, as a direct consequence of the economic system. It was never going to play out any other way.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Built my son's first gaming PC 2 months ago. Figured it would be cheaper around Black Friday, but the prices were reasonable enough that we didn't wait. Turned out to be a huge savings to buy that fast DDR5 in September.

This is really crazy. I built my first computer not too long ago; like I'm talking less than a month maybe, definitely less than 2. I paid $320 for 64GB Kit (CMK64GX5M2B5600C40) at Microcenter. It is now sold out in Chicago store and listed at $530.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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post #208

Built my son's first gaming PC 2 months ago. Figured it would be cheaper around Black Friday, but the prices were reasonable enough that we didn't wait. Turned out to be a huge savings to buy that fast DDR5 in September.

This is really crazy. I built my first computer not too long ago; like I'm talking less than a month maybe, definitely less than 2. I paid $320 for 64GB Kit (CMK64GX5M2B5600C40) at Microcenter. It is now sold out in Chicago store and listed at $530.

$760 on NewEgg! Yeeezus Christ. Literally 50% of what I spent on the entire build just on RAM.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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RAM prices are cyclical. We are in the under supply part of the cycle. People just have to wait. As prices are sky high, production capacity will likely increase. Some AI companies will go bust. Demand will plummet and we will buy RAM for pennies while the market consolidates.

Great, we can eat the RAM when we're all unemployed.

Dude - I laughed out loud on this comment (I guess we're at the cry or laugh stage). Almost woke up my sleeping kiddo.
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