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Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by _heimdall »

mattmaroon wrote: post #197
_heimdall wrote: post #187

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Louisiana refused federal highway funding for long enough that their highway system went to shit. They refused due to a federal mandate that the drinking age be raised to 21. It isn't common, but states have absolutely forwent federal funding to stand their ground, and in my opinion they should do it more often. Its a huge weakness in our federal system that states are so dependent on federal funding for long lived p…

I did say “almost”. I’m aware it has happened. But I have property in Arizona and I have a real hard time imagining this state saying no thank you if offered water. It’s sort of a big deal out there these days.

Oh I hear you, I have family in Phoenix.

My main concern there is that states can and should turn down federal funding if it comes with strings the state isn't interested in accepting. Our federal system becomes fairly useless if states are so dependent on federal funding that we can no longer have 50 different experiments running to try out different legislative approaches.

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Post by _heimdall »

lazide wrote: post #130
_heimdall wrote: post #122

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Is it really feasible if a state can only pull it off with large federal funding efforts? It seems like a problem those in the area will just have to deal with given that they're knowingly walking down that path. If you can't fund desalinization or other options, won't take federal funding, and choose not to region or conserve water then you collectively made your own bed.

Like people who build in flood zones and don’t have flood insurance, they do have a nasty tendency to make their problem your problem somehow though.

They shouldn't be my problem, and I say that as someone who lived in a flood prone home with no flood insurance as it was ridiculously expensive for pretty terrible coverage. I wouldn't have lived in that house if I was unable or unwilling to deal with the consequences of a flood, no one else should either.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

kcplate wrote: post #199
slumberlust wrote: post #186

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I enjoy playing golf and also realize how wasteful it is. Id support repurposing the spaces near me for parks/zoning usage.

Parks need to be landscape maintained, so does new development—-often in very similar ways that a golf course is (water, chemical, maintenance). Unless around you simply doesn’t have the open land space to support the area’s park and development needs, what is actually wasted? I think folks get caught up on golf course water usage, but every course around me uses reclaimed water. If houses were built there, that woul…

Public parks directly serve way more people than golf courses and don’t discriminate based on income (or class, ethnicity, etc) to the same degree, if at all.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

kcplate wrote: post #200
Forgeties79 wrote: post #190

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I have absolutely enjoyed my time on the golf course, but much like recreational cruise ships I’ll be perfectly content with them gone too. Just because I enjoy something doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate how wasteful it is and would oppose ending or at least reducing it.

I just don’t see the waste. Unless you are just going to let those spaces go wild again you will have similar efforts to maintain the spaces and with potential similar water usage.

> you will have similar efforts to maintain the spaces and with potential similar water usage.

For more people across a broader socio-economic background. I mean come on let’s just acknowledge the elephant in the room: golf is a rich sport for upper-income/rich people that requires a massive amount of space that then often has a deleterious effect on surrounding real estate (i.e. inflates it and prices people out).

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Post by tgma »

breppp wrote: post #148
rjzzleep wrote: post #28

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One of Iran's biggest problems is that Iran, for no good reason other than the benefit of some big corporations (kinda similar to the California situation) is one of the biggest produce and dry fruit exporter in the world, and that one thing the government would need to do is shut down that excess capacity. A thing very few countries would do because it would punish some oligarch for the benefit of the whole of socie…

By oligarch I assume you mean the IRGC which controls most of Iran's economy. In these kind of societies it's hard to think of the controlling powers as oligarchs as although they get rich off corruption, their power did not come from money but vice versa

IRGC is a bunch of oligarchs who operate for their individual interests. It’s not as much of a unified entity as you’d imagine. It’s a vehicle for corruption.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by _zagj »

rjzzleep wrote: post #84
dmix wrote: post #30

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I don’t think Iran is hiding the fact they are building nuclear weapon tech and long range ballistic missiles capable of MIRV. People dismissed North Korea’s ability to do so for a long time. They thought they were too poor and isolated.

None of which is true of course. Not even the North Korea claim. NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003, The only country to ever withdraw from the NPT. I would hardly call that hidden. https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-qui...

> NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003

They started the Korean War by launching an unprovoked invasion of the South (after securing Stalin's reluctant blessing), and continued to wage a campaign of terror against them in the decades after:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpo_International_Airport_bo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858

And they got caught digging infiltration tunnels under the DMZ, in violation of the 1953 armistice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incu...

And they're known to have kidnapped thousands of South Koreans, and scores of other foreign nations, including Japanese citizens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Sou...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Jap...

Yet it's the US that's untrustworthy? And why do they supposedly even care what the US thinks, considering that China already intervened militarily once (during the Korean War) to preserve their independence and has been pretty clear that it will do so again if needed?

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

tgma wrote: post #153
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #134

Why are we using "arabnews.com" as a source? It's owned by the Saudi government isn't it? This topic is hitting the front-page of more reputable news sources. BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4172yl0l1o Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/pictures/iranians-pray-rain-drought-... EDIT: yeah, let's not use arabnews as a news source please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_News

BBC is UK propaganda and fine; Arabnews is Saudi propaganda and not fine. Who are you to judge?

The BBC is a public service. Saudi Arabia is a country with a LONG list of RECENT human rights abuses, migrant abuses and exploitation, human trafficking, child sex trafficking, and shamelessly slaughtering journalists on foreign soil.

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

rileymat2 wrote: post #161
captain_coffee wrote: post #156

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BBC, literally one of the most reliable news sources in the world is according to you "UK propaganda". Feel free to expand on this

There was a recent scandal with respect to a misleading quote from a news story about President Trump and the General Director and Head of News resigned. Yes, it would have been better if they had not spliced the clips so closely together, but that does show a commitment to taking its role seriously.

"Misleading" is a stretch. It's not even controversial imo, because his actual intent was provably the same as what the BBC represented with this stitching. It's a non-issue for all practical purposes and only a problem on paper. The fact the BBC is holding themselves to a higher standard and integrity on this is actually a very good thing here (which you allude to as well).

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Post by downrightmike »

Aloisius wrote: post #171
downrightmike wrote: post #117

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Or we could put 3,100 people on house arrest and the major emissions will stop.

Yeah and then we'd face a global economic depression and mass civil unrest since those major emissions are emitted while doing things like distributing goods like food.

Bro, we already are there... and the 3,100 are at the front of the parade to get there

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Post by DANmode »

testing22321 wrote: post #198
DANmode wrote: post #55

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The Chinese pretty blatantly used it to tailor things for their Olympics. I’m a little surprised how this has gone under the radar, considering the black box “effing with the weather cycles” truly is.

Ski resorts in the US have been doing it for a long time. No need to point the finger at the nasty Chinese.

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