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SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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There is a huge audience for AI-generated content on YouTube, though admittedly many of them are oblivious to the fact that they are watching AI-generated content. Here are several examples of videos with 1 million views that people don't seem to realize are AI-generated: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxvTjrsNtxA * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDnMpuSYic These videos do have some editing which I believe was d…

Hot take but I don't care if the content I consume is AI-generated or not. First of all, while sometimes I need high-effort quality content, sometimes I want my brain to rest and then AI-generated slop is completely okay. He who didn't binge-watch garbage reality TV can cast the first stone. Second, just because something is AI-generated it doesn't automatically mean it's slop, just like human-generated content isn't…

If you want AI-generated c̶o̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶ (slop), then you should go ahead and generate it yourself via chatgpt,claude,aistudio gemini and many many others...

> human-generated content isn't automatically slop-free

I can agree but I wouldn't call human generated content slop, more like messy at worst. Human generated content can actually grow and be unique whereas AI generated slop cannot

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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I'm just realizing that while I understand (and think it's obvious) that this tool uses AI to summarize the news, they don't really mention it on-page anywhere. Unless I'm missing it? I think they used to, but maybe I'm mis-remembering. They do mention "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify important information." on the loading screen but I don't think that's good enough.

"Kagi News reads public RSS feeds of thousands of (community-curated) world-wide news sources and utilizes AI to distill them into one perfect daily briefing." https://news.kagi.com/about

On another page is not on page. And a daily briefing is AI generated does not communicate all articles are AI generated.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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HN could use some of this. It'd be nice if there was a safe having from the equivalent of high grade junk mail.

we just need human attestation. A vial of blood per comment

Isn't "Proof of Humanity" kind of interesting here: https://proofofhumanity.id

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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The same company that slopifies news stories in their previous big "feature"? The irony.

Not all "AI"-generated content can be categorized as "slop". "Slop" has a specific meaning, usually associated with spam and low-effort content. What Kagi News is doing is summarizing news articles from different sources, and applying a custom structure and format. It is a branded product supported by a reputable company, not a low-effort spam site. I'm a firm skeptic of the current hype around this technology, but I…

> "Slop" has a specific meaning, usually associated with spam and low-effort content.

Slop means different things to different people. And anything not human reviewed is low effort in my view.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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I like the effort, but it's super restrictive. They exclude all of Substack on principle (but weirdly, allow blogspot.com and wordpress.com). They exclude anything that isn't a blog. And they exclude blogs that aren't updated often enough. The end result is that there's a lot of "small web" stuff that doesn't show up. Looking at my bookmarks, I think 90% of them are in the "small web" category in spirit, but maybe 10…

I understand the substack exclusion. The paywall is not user friendly. If you don't mind, it'd be cool to take a look at your bookmark domains so that I could potentially augment the filter on my site. If you're interested, my email is in bio.

There's no paywall on Substack, except for actual paid-only blogs. You might be thinking Medium.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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> He who didn't binge-watch garbage reality TV can cast the first stone Stand by then, because I have rocks and according to you, licence to throw them. You are free to watch all the slop you want. All I want is for your slop, to not be at the cost of all other media and content. Have a SlopTube, have SlopFlix, go for it! But do it in a way that is _separate_ and doesn’t inflict it on the rest of us, who would _like_…

Your later point is hard to convey to people who don't want to hear it. I don't want AI content, even if it is as good, or even if it were better. The human element IS the point, not an implementation detail. An AI song about sailing at sea is meaningless because I know the AI has never sailed at sea. This is a standard we hold humans to, authenticity is important even for human artists, why would we give AI a pass o…

> An AI song about sailing at sea is meaningless because I know the AI has never sailed at sea.

Human singers often sing about topics they have no authentic experience with. Some pop singers exclusively sing songs written by other people.

You're entitled to dislike AI music, but I think your attempt to justify this dislike doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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So we have two universes. One is pushing generated content up our throats - from social media to operating systems - and another universe where people actively decide not to have anything to do with it. I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. It's clear that although such content does have its fans (mostly grouped in communities), people at large just hate arificially-generated content. We…

you have a very narrow definition of "people" on Instagram AI content is highly popular, some videos have 50mil views and half a million likes

And if you believe any of those numbers mean anything, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Hot take but I don't care if the content I consume is AI-generated or not. First of all, while sometimes I need high-effort quality content, sometimes I want my brain to rest and then AI-generated slop is completely okay. He who didn't binge-watch garbage reality TV can cast the first stone. Second, just because something is AI-generated it doesn't automatically mean it's slop, just like human-generated content isn't…

I mean, that certainly is a hot take, but you are getting down voted without people responding why. I can certainly understand just wanting filler content just for background noise, I had the history for sleep channel recommended to me via the algorithm because I do use those types of videos specifically to fall asleep to. However, and I don't know which video it was, but I clicked on a video, and within 5 minutes th…

I feel like people's pride is getting in the way. On this website people want to present themselves as intelectuals, and anything that breaks this image is a big no-no. Nobody wants to watch slop, everyone wants quality content, yet for some curious, inexplicable reason that scientist all over the world scratch their heads over, most TV channels start as "The Learning Channel" and end up as TLC.

Regarding the second point, that's true, but I feel like we're focusing on worst examples instead of best examples. It's like, when I was a kid my parents would yell at me "you believe everything they say on the internet!" and then they would watch TV programs explaining why it's scientifically certain that the world would end in 2012. There's huge confirmation bias "AI-generated content bad" because you don't notice the good AI-generated content, or good use cases of low-quality content. Circling back to Boring History To Sleep, even if half of it is straight-up lies, that's completely irrelevant, because that's not the point here. The point here is to have the listener use their imagination and feel the general vibe of historical times. I distinctly remember listening to the slop and at some point really, really feeling like I was in some peasant's medieval hut. Even if the image I had was full of inaccuracies, that's completely fine, because AI allowed me to do something I'd never done before. If I ever want to fix my misconceptions I'll just watch more slop because if you listen to 100 different AI-generated podcasts on the same topic, each time it'll hallucinate in a different way, which means that truthful information is the only information that will consistently appear throughout majority of them, and that's what my brain will pick up.

> when life gives you lemons, make lemonade

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Your later point is hard to convey to people who don't want to hear it. I don't want AI content, even if it is as good, or even if it were better. The human element IS the point, not an implementation detail. An AI song about sailing at sea is meaningless because I know the AI has never sailed at sea. This is a standard we hold humans to, authenticity is important even for human artists, why would we give AI a pass o…

> An AI song about sailing at sea is meaningless because I know the AI has never sailed at sea. Human singers often sing about topics they have no authentic experience with. Some pop singers exclusively sing songs written by other people. You're entitled to dislike AI music, but I think your attempt to justify this dislike doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

HackerNews holds AI to much higher standards than humans. In other news, water is wet.
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