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My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by svnt »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #194
svnt wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People holding your current naive viewpoint is why we have professional societies with the power to remove licenses/disbar. Someone who takes the hippocratic oath and then behaves in this manner is not fit to be a caregiver. Medical care is about more than technical competence. I’d hate to see the state of the flattened world you seem to be arguing for. Please go read about the origins of professional standards.

> People holding your current naive viewpoint is why we have professional societies with the power to remove licenses/disbar. > Someone who takes the hippocratic oath and then behaves in this manner is not fit to be a caregiver. Medical care is about more than technical competence. > I’d hate to see the state of the flattened world you seem to be arguing for. Please go read about the origins of professional standards…

It is not alleged research fraud. It is admitted fraud. The person is saying they sensed something wrong with her. Dishonest behavior is often discernible in advance if you know what to look for.

> Jamal now takes full responsibility and “regrets having exposed patients to the risk of harm by enrolling them in studies which had no value.”

There is no pathos in my comment. Your statement is literally naive.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by onlypassingthru »

The state has an incentive to encourage callers to wait for trained emergency drivers. Nobody wants mom in a panic and flying through red lights at the intersections. Or worse, my former teacher drove himself to the ER while in the midst of a heart attack rather than wait for an ambulance. He didn't survive the attack but made it to the hospital without incident.

edit, to add this old gem: "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car."

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by protocolture »

DustinEchoes wrote: post #142
protocolture wrote: post #135

>i don't understand why the common narrative that i was told, that we were all told growing up, is that one should wait for an ambulance My wife had a seizure a few years ago, and the first response team clocked in under 5 minutes (close to 3 by my count but I wasnt paying a lot of attention). Then 2 more ambulances arrived The emergency response team is an SUV rather than a full ambulance, with 2 trained paramedics…

What country was this?

Australia.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by scorpioxy »

0_____0 wrote: post #158
scorpioxy wrote: post #114

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Oh yes. Quite bad and I don't know if things are getting slightly better than "bad" or the media is tired of reporting about it. Up until a year or so ago, an appointment at a GP would take weeks of waiting. Specialist appointments were 1+ years waiting time. This is somewhat better now with the establishment of critical-care clinics operating after hours. This is from personal experience. The emergency rooms often h…

I pay ~500 US/mo for health insurance. Just for me, no dependents. Not an exotic low-deductible health insurance plan. 2% on top of income tax sounds like a dream.

It's actually anywhere between 1%-5% depending on your income but I didn't want to get too detailed in my comment. And you'd still have the absurdly long wait times. And the out of pocket expenses. Again, not a problem if you can actually make use of what you're paying for.

I do have to state though that the US healthcare system, minus the fact that most healthcare research/advancements happens there, is crazy.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by BrenBarn »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #143
heylook wrote: post #120

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This is the laziest, most egregious "WeLl AkShUaLlY!!!" comment I've seen in a little while. Like, really embarrassing. > According to the regulator for Ontario doctors, Jamal initially tried to place all the blame on her innocent research associate, almost ruining her career. She then tried to discredit her colleagues, claiming they had ulterior motives for questioning her results. > When that didn’t work, they foun…

> This is the laziest, most egregious "WeLl AkShUaLlY!!!" comment I've seen in a little while. Like, really embarrassing. And yet I haven't heard how this affects this person's ability to be an endocrinologist. Most of any job is routine busywork—and if ethical purity is the requirement to hold a job that impacts the lives of the public, we may never have a politician (or hospital chief) for the rest of humanity. I a…

I think the simple answer is: a person who cannot be trusted cannot be trusted with your health.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by kelnos »

gpt5 wrote: post #191
pugio wrote: post #48

I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…

Melbourne has an excellent ambulance response time (defined from the moment 000 call is received to when the first ambulance resource arrives on scene): * Average Code 1 response time: 12 minutes 47 seconds * Code 1 responses within 15 minutes: 77.2% * Number of Code 1 first responses: 12,375 This places Melbourne among the faster councils in the state, and well ahead of the statewide average response time. Source: T…

Perhaps my understanding here is lacking, but that doesn't sound good at all. Feels like if someone has some sort of cardiac event, or, worse, isn't breathing, by the time the ambulance gets there, they'll be dead, with too much brain death for any resuscitation effort to be worth it.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by weddpros »

filleduchaos wrote: post #144
weddpros wrote: post #64

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Not desired by whom? I think transparency is desired by citizens/customers. Do you think there are (good) reasons why obscurity is preferred?

Personally I see plenty of problems with a real-time public broadcast of all the addresses a medical event has occurred at, the patients' location in transit, and the hospitals that received those patients. "Ambulance chaser" is a rather derogatory phrase for a reason.

I'm certainly not suggesting that. Read on.

An emergency dispatcher could send a Text message back with a link to a private, case-limited, web page with an ETA + a map + the ambulance location in real time.

See? no "real-time public broadcast of all the addresses a medical event has occurred at".

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by blobbers »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #145
blobbers wrote: post #116

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It would appear fairly clear: she tried to claim a therapy would help someone when it clearly would not and when confronted with this fact, actively tried to hide it. How on earth would you trust such a person to be your caregiver?

> It would appear fairly clear: she tried to claim a therapy would help someone when it clearly would not and when confronted with this fact, actively tried to hide it. How on earth would you trust such a person to be your caregiver? Where did you derive any of this from what the OP said? He said there was an allegation of research conduct, and this is the statement to which I responded. Almost all research uses arti…

The original commenter on the subject posted about the doctor Sophie Jamal. She is the person who published a paper suggested a therapy of Nitroglycerin to treat osteoporosis, is she not?

If a therapy that doesn't help is adopted then those that suffer from lack of care as a result are harmed.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by weddpros »

laszlojamf wrote: post #156
weddpros wrote: post #64

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Not desired by whom? I think transparency is desired by citizens/customers. Do you think there are (good) reasons why obscurity is preferred?

FWIW: In Sweden, there's been a bunch of cases of emergency personnel being attacked when responding to incidents

I understand, I know it's a problem in France too, even in hospitals. Or Firefighters being called only to be attacked...

However that exists already, without a way to track the rescue team sent to you...

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